stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 19/5/02 at 06:33 PM | |
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If its not too boring, this is the way the other group is run :
I am mailing you both directly as I have already posted a public warning
about continuing this thread.
Please do not continue this thread further. It serves no purpose. There
is room for both methods and, as has already been seen, multiple lists.
I will be forced to remove you from the list if you continue.
- Peter Ogden (Moderator Locost, Locost_Theory & Locost_Oz Lists)
http://www.esbconsult.com.au/ogden/
(Home of the Locost Mirror)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stephen_gusterson [mailto:stephen.gusterson@ntlworld.com]
> Sent: Friday, 17 May 2002 9:12 PM
> To: locost@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [locost] Re: locostbuilders.co.uk
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> Why why?
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> I can read this online at home and at work via the web - i dont see
> anything strange between that and also being on
> www.locostbuilders.co.uk at the same time.
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> I can use the web to read the messages I want instantly, and ignore
> the ones i dont want to read. Mostly the one liners making not
> meaningfuls statements tend to get skipped.
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> atb
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> steve
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> --- In locost@y..., "Rick Hargraves" wrote:
> > strange to see you here then I guess
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: stephen_gusterson
> > To: locost@y...
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:31 PM
> > Subject: [locost] Re: locostbuilders.co.uk
> >
> >
> > --- In locost@y..., "Rick Hargraves" wrote:
> > > Hi Chris,
> > >
> > > Oldtimer maybe BUT-
> > >
> > > It is much easier to download and read emails at work than surf
> the
> > web.
> > > I do not have web access at work as I work in a Clients office
> > with no dial in on the phone system either)
> > > It is much less obvious at work and if at home I can down load -
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> > get off - reply- get back on and send - not chew up hours wading
> > through a hunderd mails.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tricky H.
> > >
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> >
> > EXACTLY as I suspected!
> >
> > At my company, all PC's have email access but only about 20% of
> them
> > have web access - I suspect to cut down on un-authorised use.
> >
> > I my experience, when the list was its old self, subscribing to
> the
> > list with individual emails was just self inflicted mail bombing.
> > Crazy. I also recon thats the reason people get so stroppy and
> angry
> > cos they are getting stuff that they just dont want.
> >
> > 'yes mate' 'good onya' and 'lathe jokes' in several replies, sent
> to
> > your mail box, isnt exactly interesting. If you see a thread on
> the
> > web interface 'tricky no lathe' as it was - you can decide to or
> not,
> > to view. No feelings of stress, anger or hardship.
> >
> > If you go for the digest, thats crap to read too, as its 50% or
> more
> > just quotes of the earlier messages, that you dont even bother to
> > scroll down to on the web interface.
> >
> > The web access is easier, in my view. You can see who the post is
> > from, easily follow a thread, ignore those posters you dont want
> to
> > read, but still see their view if you want to, without the
> permanancy
> > of putting people in kill files.
> >
> > With my broadband access at home, web viewing is instantaneous,
> and i
> > dont pay extra for the time I spend on line.
> >
> > You pays yer money, etc, and for me, web is by far the best way.
> Your
> > milage can and will vary.
> >
> > ATB
> >
> > Steve.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 20/5/02 at 12:53 PM | |
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Having just read the post that ChrisW put on TOL this morning, I recon its just about 100/1 chance of ChrisW not being kicked off in the next 24
hours.
If ypu dp get kicked Chris, I wonder what a complaint message to Yahoo might do?
If you really want to leave with a bang you had better do it before AUstralia wakes up!
Atb
Steve
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 20/5/02 at 12:56 PM | |
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...or you two can continue annoying everyone else on that list.
Why bother? You're just looking childish.
David
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 20/5/02 at 02:54 PM | |
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quote:
...or you two can continue annoying everyone else on that list.
Why bother? You're just looking childish.
David
I dont recon I was being childish - I just compared and contrasted views on the way both lists worked. However, Chris looks like he's deliberatly on
a wind-up. I wasnt.
ATB
Steve
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ChrisW
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| posted on 20/5/02 at 03:00 PM | |
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Thought I was onto a perfectly good point myself. Everyone tells me Peter guy is too controlling and he proved it. But yeah, you're right, I am
just trying to wind him up! 
Lets see if I get banned eh? Nothing to stop me joining again though is there!
Chris
My gaff my rules
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 20/5/02 at 05:03 PM | |
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quote:
Thought I was onto a perfectly good point myself. Everyone tells me Peter guy is too controlling and he proved it. But yeah, you're right, I
am just trying to wind him up!
Lets see if I get banned eh? Nothing to stop me joining again though is there!
Chris
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 20/5/02 at 05:06 PM | |
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quote:
quote:
Thought I was onto a perfectly good point myself. Everyone tells me Peter guy is too controlling and he proved it. But yeah, you're
right, I am just trying to wind him up!
Lets see if I get banned eh? Nothing to stop me joining again though is there!
Chris
Now I know how people post empty posts!
Actually, there is a way to stop you joining again.
A couple days back, Mr Ogden turned botht eh Locost and locost_aus lists into restricted membership. That means he has to click on your application to
let you join. So, if he knows your mail, then your not gonna get back. Then, if you use another provider, its possible to say, ok, no on with a
hotmail address. It will just make Mr Ogden even more defensive and restrictive.
atb
steve
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 21/5/02 at 07:36 AM | |
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Chris,
I'm sorry, but all you are doing is screwing up 2 good Locost resources.
The other list was calming down and starting to be good again.
This site was starting to be useful (and a good laugh).
All you are doing is appearing childish - "I don't like your rules so you can't play either".
From the tone of a number of posts on both sites I'm not alone in this view.
David
(who has just decided that he can't be bothered with this site any more.)
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 21/5/02 at 07:39 AM | |
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Chris,
What you are doing is childish.
The Other List was just settling down when you decided to stir it up again for no particular reason.
This site was establishing itself as a good alternative, and a bit of a laugh.
Now both are screwed up because you want to play games. You don't like their rules, so no-one else can play either.
Because of this, I'm leaving this site. Because of your crap, I'll probably sign off the other one for a while, as well.
David
(Don't bother to reply - I'm outta here.)
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 21/5/02 at 08:33 AM | |
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I find both David an ChrisW's actions in this a little strange.
At the end of the day, these lists mean bugger all. Life goes on. My car would still get built. Anyone who has a library, mates and a browser that can
search google does not need any lists. Its just nice to be able to get the info in one place.
I think TOL has a lot of faults. It certainly has its nasty characters and it has its real gems too. When I got into problems a couple times, I had
lots of supporting mails, and I dont think a single nasty one. A few snide list comments, but only support. Ken Walton in particular is a great guy
with a great philosophy. However since the traffic on TOL reduced to about 25% or what it was, i find it less interesting.
All those people building cars witout a list resource, no, surely.....
As far as this list is concerned, I personally havnt really used it as a major build resource at all. For me, I find it an entertainingway to stay in
touch with people building cars. If I can help with my experience or ask the odd question myself, all well and good.
This list has been having some good promtional mentions on TOL. This has been seen by the fact that its grown by quite a few members in the last few
weeks. They will not stay or participate unless they see some quality.
I think what ChrisW is doing on TOL goes too far, its not just name dropping but its damaging. Damaging to this group. Who wants to join just another
'bitching' session.
David was taking quite a nice part on both lists. Now he's done the typical list member thing. He's thrown a wobbly, posted his epitath and left.
I hope whan my car is finished I will just post a 'bye and thanks for all the fish' or just peter out. However, I can see it ending in a tirade of
'this is what I really think' cos it seems it always ends that way.
This list will continue to grow by getting good links. For instance, google rates sites by the links to it, not how many buzz words are in it. If we
get quality builders on here, they will have sites that link here and up goes the score.
If they see the list as just another bunch of tossers cos of all the contrived semi-argumentative promotional quips on the other site, it wont
happen.
Look a the members list - and the amount of posts for the top members. We need the bottom ones to grow, and they wont if silly stuff continues.
ATB
Steve
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ChrisW
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| posted on 21/5/02 at 12:57 PM | |
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David
Not sure why you're blaming this on me - I didn't start *anything* on the other list. In fact, I only went back last week because people had told
me my site had been mentioned and of course I'll defend it whenever possible. Also would have been happy to leave it well alone last week if it
hadn't been for Ogden telling me what I can and can't say.
I'm not talking about joining again to cause agro, I'm just saying I wonder if I'll get banned for having views different to his as seems to be the
case with most of the bans. I'll never ask a question on there again anyway as everytime I tried (before I set this site up) I either got no reply
or someone been sarcastic but I do occasionally search the archives incase my point has already been rasied. (and for that I'd need a membership)
Anyway, enough on the subject. Let them get on with it. I stand by my actions and I'll defend this site again if I need to.
Chris
My gaff my rules
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 21/5/02 at 01:14 PM | |
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You didnt need to defend anything.
You were getting good advertising.
Both you and me were mentioning the list to get it noticed.
I am in favour of this site, but what you were doing was BLATENT self fullfilling prophecy stuff - Get him to ban you so you could then claim you were
right - it was way way obvious.
AND I think you caused more harm than good.
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ChrisW
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| posted on 21/5/02 at 01:29 PM | |
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quote:
Having just read the post that ChrisW put on TOL this morning, I recon its just about 100/1 chance of ChrisW not being kicked off in the next
24 hours.
If ypu dp get kicked Chris, I wonder what a complaint message to Yahoo might do?
You were the one who mentioned a ban, I just said I wasn't bothered if they did. Wasn't purposly going out to get banned so if it seems that way
then be assured it wasn't my intention.
Anyway, lets leave it or we will end up looking like the other list ourselves with all this bickering.
Chris
My gaff my rules
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jcduroc
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| posted on 22/5/02 at 01:38 PM | |
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Hi all
This topic really annoys me as it seems people are allways trying to estiguish fire with gasoline...
I do not understand why "ones" have to tackle "others" ... if you don't stand them just ignore them.
By the way Big Boss Man, what if you manage to get us Web Sites inside Locostbuilders.co.uk? What better publicity than everyone that still reads and
posts in TOL announcing his site as, pe, "www/locostbuilders.co.uk/jcduroc"?
After all, we are all grown up and I'd love to meet some Locost(ers)Builders next time I travel to UK to have a few beers, discuss cars and ...
whether that was Kournikova's picture or not. Ah! And also to get help if I ever have to SVA my Locost in UK and then "import" it back to
Portugal.
Let us not let small differences get bigger; after all we share a common dream/desire/passion innovated by Colin the Great.
It doesn't matter whether you're Manchester, Everton or Benfica fan, Tory or Labor, Black or White, Timorease or Indoneasian; we are all Lotusers
fans an thrillers, aren't we?
Cheers all
Joćo
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jcduroc
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| posted on 22/5/02 at 01:55 PM | |
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P.S.: BossMan
Can't you get David (Jenkins) back to our group? Try it.
Cheers
Joćo
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 22/5/02 at 04:31 PM | |
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Well said that man,first sensible thing ive read for days 
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bob
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| posted on 22/5/02 at 06:16 PM | |
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I did say i woudnt post on this subject,but kounokova was mentioned and i just fell apart 
I've mailed david but to no avail,he will post on TOL which i think is their gain and our loss.
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