BenB
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:35 PM |
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I'm just pissed we've got a fricking conservative PM. Useless to$$ers.
No doubt their answer will be to sell anything that isn't privatised to wipeout the national debt leaving us precisely bankcrupt. Whilst making
sure their corporate backers make nice little profits in the process.
Great.....
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:37 PM |
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Originally posted by JoelP
So all we need to do is take sufficient steps to keep the AAA credit rating, and aim to be square in 10 or 20 years.
If we owe as much as we
do and still have a triple A credit rating, why is is so difficult for individuals and small businesses to get finance now?
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:38 PM |
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Originally posted by motorcycle_mayhem
I'm a redundant industrial Chemist, having seen the industry dive over recent years... would be great if we got back to the 'old'
incentives the industry once had -such as tax benefits to invest in R+D in the UK.
As a former process development chemist myself i can certainly sympathise with you. I went through 2 redundancies in 1998 and 2001 before getting out
of the petrochemical industry altogether. Even 10 years ago, the industry seemed to be taking a hammering.
Manufacturing of any sort seems to be dying a death in this country now. Comes to something when one of our largest goods (as opposed to services)
exporters is the weapons industry!!!
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Fozzie
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:58 PM |
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Originally posted by Jon Ison
Fozzie, you need to move, 3 new schools within 10 miles and 2 new hospitals within 30 miles.
Doctors, ring them at 8.30 see them before 10.00, think you need to change your local MP 
Check ours out, the Beast of Bolsover, check his attendance record and expenses to.
Oh...The irony Jon .....  ... alas, enough to open another can of worms ....
It is/was nothing to do with my MP be he good or bad ....
What happened was that the government (Labour) set the budgets ..... less and less for the Tory held areas, yet more taken from them in Business rates
and Council Tax, and whisked away to the Labour Heartlands ...
Prescott ordered that we (area), had to create x amount of housing where there is no room to swing a cat.......nowt in the budget for the all
important infrastructures as in utilities .... with more housing comes....people...and they (Government) ordered that schools hospitals should
shut...no money for more gp's, no money for the roads, and while they were at it, lets cut the bus services.....(kids school transport)....
Lets make it hard for new business's to start, by not offering new business subsidies, 'start-up' perks, or business
reliefs'.......
Oh yes and lets close the swimming pools and leisure centres/parks and build back to back 'rabbit hutches' oh and building on flood plains
is a really good idea said Mr Prescott.... Hmmmmmmmm .....
Talking of Hospitals.......I'm having urgent surgery tomorrow ....it took a tad over 3 weeks from an emergency appointment to having an op
.....might seem a long time to you...positively mega zoomingly quick for around here.......scary......that a part of a country that people mistakenly
perceive to 'have it all', in reality ....third world....
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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Fozzie
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 10:03 PM |
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Originally posted by BenB
I'm just pissed we've got a fricking conservative PM. Useless to$$ers.
No doubt their answer will be to sell anything that isn't privatised to wipeout the national debt leaving us precisely bankcrupt. Whilst making
sure their corporate backers make nice little profits in the process.
Great.....
Ben we are bankrupt ... and I think gordie has already sold all the remaining reserves and assets, and paid 'their' people mega-bucks (not
to mention expenses.... lol) in mindless, inane, totally useless quango's, and 'working parties' .....
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 10:08 PM |
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Fozzie, hope all goes well for you tomorrow.
dont you think though with all the own goals labour scored dave should have walked it ? He didn't persuaded to many in reality most of them
where put off by labour (Gordon) not drawn to dave, there are some comments above about manufacturing, think that sorta started big time in maggies
golden years, the dash for gas, the material girl ?
dave has is work cut out, hes not as popular as he thinks, just less unpopular than Gordon was, if and its only an if labour now get there act
together over the next few months the condems are condemned. I really would have advised him to go it alone, hes upset a fair few supporters I'm
sure, they really are chalk n cheeses, cons/lib dems ?
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craig1410
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 10:25 PM |
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I for one am delighted at the appointment of David Cameron as PM. I believe he is a very genuine person (for now at least - power can induce madness
as we saw with Thatcher and Blair)
I think that Cameron and Clegg will work well together and both are in strong enough positions within their own parties to bring the party with
them.
People still complain about Thatcher and yet she is remembered as the third greatest PM we have ever had. Gordon Brown is rated as the worst! I agree
with both for the record. Linky.
I grew up in the 70's and 80's and went through University and started work in the 90's and Thatcher and Major did me and my family
no harm at all and we are by no means rich. My Dad ran a successful small business throughout that time and retired successfully in 2001.
Unfortunately my sister who took over the business has not had such a successful time under labour and faces the closure of the business. It is a
similar story for many small businesses across the UK.
Whether everyone can see it now or not, the country is in better hands this evening than it was this morning. Labour only know how to waste money, the
Conservatives will assist small businesses who in turn will employ people and form the medium and large companies of tomorrow. Those who are prepared
to work will reap the rewards and those who abuse the benefits system will get a rude awakening! Teachers will be allowed to teach (my wife is a
teacher btw) and doctors and nurses will be allowed to run the hospitals without the micromanagment and meddling of Labour!
Hopefully we can get back to manufacturing and innovation because I firmly believe that this is the only true way to increase the wealth of a nation.
Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
Undoubtedly the conservatives will be blamed once again for the pain of the next few years and "never be forgiven" by some, but we must
remember the part that Labour had in digging the very deep hole we now find ourselves in.
I for one am hugely relieved at the return of competence to government!
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 10:59 PM |
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Originally posted by bmseven
Not to mention the immigrants that they'l do nothing about !
And you have something against me?
In our local area if it wasn't for the immigrants none of your farms would function.
All of your soft fruits and beef would be harder to produce cause your lazy local chavs dont want to work.
I go to customers who have monster tele`s on full sub packages who moan cause the teles off for an hour or two.....
I dont even have sky
We work umpteen hours over our contracted week to keep systems going on a call out rota to keep the great unwashed lazy locals televisions working....
So mate you should look at your locals before picking out immigrants...
you only have to look in the take aways to see the hard workers being abused by the dolees
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Fozzie
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 11:06 PM |
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Thank you for your kind wishes Jon.... 
Yes.....I would have thought that Dave the Rave would have got more seats .... and like you I would have thought more of him if he had 'gone
alone' ... but, I fear that the way the 'rule' is written.....Gordie would have stayed......
I am personally very wary with the Condem (LOL) alliance .... but again if Dave the Rave had gone it alone, and became PM, I could see the Lab/Libs
opposing every move....even down to the opening of an envelope......
Without that majority it was doomed for clear leadership.
I personally hope he draws on William Hagues new found maturity and wisdom, we need to find some modicum of respect in the eyes of the world at this
point, enough to bring confidence back to the stock market would be good.
I'm not so sure that Labour would spring back that quick .... remember that Labour introduced quite a few new areas (constituencies) that were
safe for them.....how that would fare if reform came to be I'm not so sure....
Also..Gordie put the fear of wotsit into the 'few' by saying that the Tories were going to cut this and that....winter payment for the
oldies, and tax credits.......to name 2 ..... that is what he surmised (made up), not what was actually fact....so I think he got the
'Lazy-Lout' vote there as it scared them into thinking the Tories were going to cut their dole ..... ah well ....
Another thing that Labour did very well was to rob the pension pots....oh and ensure every English (not sure about Wales) youngster that wanted Higher
Education started their adult life with a major financial debt around their necks......(fee payback)....oh and to raise the retirement/pension age to
repay some of the billions they have wasted elsewhere........
I think that at this point all we can do is pull our heads in, batten down the hatches and ride the waves.......It isn't going to be a pretty
ride .... that's if Dave the Rave has the nerve to do what needs to be done.....
All the above IMHO of course... 
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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02GF74
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| posted on 12/5/10 at 06:43 AM |
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Originally posted by Jon Ison
don't you think though with all the own goals labour scored dave should have walked it ?
He should have but what little of the campaign I watched, he never actually said anything. Any question about what the conservatories were going to
do was answered in one of 2 ways: we will bring change but said nothing about what that change was or else attack labour.
he is a two faced slimeball, out of the three the most genuine one was Clegg, and he was very good in last of the summer wine too.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 12/5/10 at 06:59 AM |
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Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
.........Hopefully though the Libs will have enough sway to keep the Tories in check before they wreck the NHS, schools etc again. After all the
improvements made in the last 13 years it would be a shame to see it all go backwards. Yes its cost a lot of money to get them this far, but theres no
reason to pull that investment back out which is what they are talking about doing..........
You cannot be serious!?! 
I think Labour have already wrecked the NHS, the money that has been poured into them by Labour didn't go on Doctors, Nurses or patients.....it
went to employ managers and other pen pushers, taking much needed money and resources away from patient care and equipment too......and lets not start
about the state of the hospitals.....if you can find one that is......they are being closed down left right and centre ......
Try and get an appointment to see your GP? ...no, they are so overstretched, you are lucky if you only have to wait a week for an appointment.....and
the GP's practices have just had a budget cap/reduction.....so that was not going to get better any time soon!
Schools education? ...... that has never been in such a state, the standards are abysmal, siblings have to go to different schools miles apart, and we
are talking infants here ... the 5-7 age group that cannot get on a bus themselves...... No new schools being built, their playing fields being sold
off, Techs and C of F.Ed. closing down through lack of funding........There is nowt left to ruin.....
Labour has already done it!
I cant say much more than what Jon had said in reply to be honest. But yes it sounds like you need to move
NHS waiting lists cut from 6+months to 1 month, and yes I can phone the docs and get an appointment the same day.
Schools expanded and 3 new built around this area. My mum is a teacher and has noticed an improvement in standards across the board.
You deffo need a new MP who stands their ground. Maybe stop voting in the Tory one and give one of the others a chance
As for what Lab have put in place for small businesses and start up's its far far better than anything the Tories ever did last time.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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richardh
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| posted on 12/5/10 at 08:08 AM |
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let's not forget that Clegg's lot lost seats too..................
Perpetual cycle. Labour = waste and squander and Cons = fix the labour mess then get over greedy.
Horay for the one Green Party victory though just to be totally different.
I'm no fan of any of these 2 leaders as none will be true to their words.
As for labour/new labour/new labour gone back to old ways or whatever they call themselves this time - they should have held a leadership contest and
ousted that twat long ago.
IMHO - let's ride the winds of change and suffering and see what comes of it.
Time for a change!
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 12/5/10 at 08:42 AM |
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Originally posted by flak monkey
quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
.........Hopefully though the Libs will have enough sway to keep the Tories in check before they wreck the NHS, schools etc again. After all the
improvements made in the last 13 years it would be a shame to see it all go backwards. Yes its cost a lot of money to get them this far, but theres no
reason to pull that investment back out which is what they are talking about doing..........
You cannot be serious!?!
I think Labour have already wrecked the NHS, the money that has been poured into them by Labour didn't go on Doctors, Nurses or patients.....it
went to employ managers and other pen pushers, taking much needed money and resources away from patient care and equipment too......and lets not start
about the state of the hospitals.....if you can find one that is......they are being closed down left right and centre ......
Try and get an appointment to see your GP? ...no, they are so overstretched, you are lucky if you only have to wait a week for an appointment.....and
the GP's practices have just had a budget cap/reduction.....so that was not going to get better any time soon!
Schools education? ...... that has never been in such a state, the standards are abysmal, siblings have to go to different schools miles apart, and we
are talking infants here ... the 5-7 age group that cannot get on a bus themselves...... No new schools being built, their playing fields being sold
off, Techs and C of F.Ed. closing down through lack of funding........There is nowt left to ruin.....
Labour has already done it!
I cant say much more than what Jon had said in reply to be honest. But yes it sounds like you need to move
NHS waiting lists cut from 6+months to 1 month, and yes I can phone the docs and get an appointment the same day.
Schools expanded and 3 new built around this area. My mum is a teacher and has noticed an improvement in standards across the board.
You deffo need a new MP who stands their ground. Maybe stop voting in the Tory one and give one of the others a chance
As for what Lab have put in place for small businesses and start up's its far far better than anything the Tories ever did last time.
NHS waiting lists cut from 6 to 1 month - yes, government targets worked there ... or not!
My wife will appear to not have exceeded any targets for waiting, although she has been waiting for a diagnosis for over two years! They just bounce
her around from one team to another, so she never exceeds any targets! Seven consultants so far, each one takes a month or so to get to see her, then
they order tests that take a month to six weeks to get an appointment for, then another three weeks or so before she can see them for the results and
then they either order more tests or bounce her on to the next team. She has been re-referred to teams she has seen before, she has had tests repeated
(with the waits) just 'cos the consultant doesn't trust another teams records. Total time spent having tests and seeing the teams could
easily fit into a week. No account is taken of total waiting time, only time to first appointment.
There are have also been people kept waiting in ambulances, so the clock in A&E doesn't start ticking, to keep within the targets, etc.
Money has been spent very badly - my wife works in psychiatry and her team is having to deal with another team's backlog of 18 months to 4
years, without any extra CPNs, so the delays continue, while the staff are stressed and put under pressure to assess extremely complex cases, possibly
with immediate life threatening consequences, in forty minutes (they used to have 2 hours)!
Central government funding has been cut and cut, while more tasks have been loaded onto councils, so council tax has rocketed.
There are not enough places in the local schools to cope with the recent influx of Eastern Europeans (that the rest of Europe refused to accept until
2011), so my second son cannot follow his brother into the same school - as I work full time and my wife works part time to look after the kids, she
has to take them to and from school, but she cannot be in two places at once!
The list goes on.
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bmseven
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| posted on 12/5/10 at 12:56 PM |
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Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
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Originally posted by bmseven
Not to mention the immigrants that they'l do nothing about !
And you have something against me?
In our local area if it wasn't for the immigrants none of your farms would function.
All of your soft fruits and beef would be harder to produce cause your lazy local chavs dont want to work.
I go to customers who have monster tele`s on full sub packages who moan cause the teles off for an hour or two.....
I dont even have sky
We work umpteen hours over our contracted week to keep systems going on a call out rota to keep the great unwashed lazy locals televisions working....
So mate you should look at your locals before picking out immigrants...
you only have to look in the take aways to see the hard workers being abused by the dolees
Bit touchy!!
I am not bothered by the legals though I do believe the numbers allowed entry should be reduced!
But on a daily basis I have first hand experience of "the uninsured drunken drivers arrested at 11 in the morning, the crime rings the
immigration detention centres that are full and yes I have visited them ALL"
As far as our farms I have several friends with farms who are all well off and employ no migrant workers but have seen plenty of illegal migrant
workers arrested.
And who has to pay for all this?
YOU and ME
Will it be any better under a Tory government I doubt it, will it be any worse I suspect so
P.S I also live in an village where I can get a doctors appoinment the day I call, a hospital appointment within a few weeks a secondary school with
Sports College Status and one of the largest artificial playing surfaces. 2 NHS hospitals within 20 minutesone currently undergoing a huge extension,
nationally recognised burns unit etc etc, wife works in the NHS and is well paid and has good working conditions. 
[Edited on 12/5/10 by bmseven]
[Edited on 12/5/10 by bmseven]
BMW 7 Resource
Bures Pit anyone?
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Fozzie
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| posted on 14/5/10 at 03:31 PM |
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Why should I have to move? ....
Although I have moved around the country a fair bit in my life, this is where I was born and brought up....as were about 5 generations before
me......
This was a great area......which is slowly becoming over built, over populated and underfunded.......
The Labour Government has done this to my area......their directives, their targets their (local government) budgets......
They don't like the 'money' that has chosen to live in my area (that is non-native to this part) ... end of!
You will be pleased to know that although I could write for ages on this, I wont because I am now out of hospital, but hurting ........
Something happened to me in there.....and the Consultant went into 'one' about the caRp medications they are 'given' .....
(yes I elected to stay awake) .... so I heard it all ...
In this day and age, it shouldn't happen that the quality of hospital care/gp's or schools or infrastructure is dependant on where you
live, or whether or not you happen to live in a Labour or Tory heartland ....that, in my book at least, is discrimination.......
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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