speedyxjs
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:06 PM |
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Used engine oil
Im hopefully getting a landy soon so i can start my mobile servicing business.
To reduce costs, i have been looking into running the (deisel) engine on the used oil i remove from my customers cars.
My plan so far is to insert a thermoswitch, somewhere in the engine so i can start the engine on deisel and when the engine reaches a certain temp,
the landy will automatically switch to the engine oil. This should help the thinning of the oil
What i am struggling to get info on is how to clean the engine oil before it goes in the tank and also how to thin the oil in the tank.
Any ideas?
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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violentblue
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:11 PM |
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look and see what biodiesel production filters are avaliable.
would think the process is similar.
a few pics of my other projects
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mookaloid
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:12 PM |
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sounds scary to me - if you clog up a diesel pump it will cost many more ££££££'s to put right than you will ever save by not buying the odd
gallon of diesel.
But I'm not an expert so please let us know how you get on 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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owelly
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:12 PM |
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A centrifuge would do it! Or one of those 'micro-spin' filters. I think there's a similar thing fitted to some Landys/Rangeys to
extend the service life of the oil.
Will it not smoke like a smoking thing?
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
A centrifuge would do it! Or one of those 'micro-spin' filters. I think there's a similar thing fitted to some Landys/Rangeys to
extend the service life of the oil.
Will it not smoke like a smoking thing?
That was going to be my other question
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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owelly
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:14 PM |
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http://www.dieselproducts.com/spinclean/spinclean.html
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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Canada EH!
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:16 PM |
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People on this side of the pond are using old cooking oil from chip fryers, problem is every MacDonalds junkie will follow you around.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Canada EH!
People on this side of the pond are using old cooking oil from chip fryers, problem is every MacDonalds junkie will follow you around.
There is a guy aroud here who has a deal with just about every business that uses cooking oil so i dont think that would work.
If i can do it, it wont just save loads in fuel, i will also be saving on waste too.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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dinosaurjuice
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:21 PM |
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not really a good idea to run an engine on used motor oil.
semi or fully synthetic is a big NO anyway, as the synthetics are not designed to burn. they will soon leave nasty deposits on valves etc. as for
mineral engine oil, it will be full of carbon and generally only good for a workshop heater.
what you want to do is possible, but as above, the cost of an injection pump exchange or refurb will always be more than youll ever save.
If you want to make biodiesel, the landy injection pumps work well off it. IF the biodiesel is made properly.
just my opinion...
edit: why do you need a landrover to service cars? surely an estate/van will do, a vauxhall 1.7td van does 40+mpg on dinosaur juice.
[Edited on 14/10/09 by dinosaurjuice]
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dinosaurjuice
not really a good idea to run an engine on used motor oil.
semi or fully synthetic is a big NO anyway, as the synthetics are not designed to burn. they will soon leave nasty deposits on valves etc. as for
mineral engine oil, it will be full of carbon and generally only good for a workshop heater.
what you want to do is possible, but as above, the cost of an injection pump exchange or refurb will always be more than youll ever save.
If you want to make biodiesel, the landy injection pumps work well off it. IF the biodiesel is made properly.
just my opinion...
edit: why do you need a landrover to service cars? surely an estate/van will do, a vauxhall 1.7td van does 40+mpg on dinosaur juice.
[Edited on 14/10/09 by dinosaurjuice]
Landy looks better 
I have a vx astra estate but it is so dull and doesnt stand out as much as a landrover
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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smart51
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 02:37 PM |
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I know someone who has an oil burning workshop heater that uses all that engine oil left over from racing. That's probably the best use for it.
If you want some used engine oil, I have plenty in my garage. One day I'm going to dispose of it at the local recycling depot (dump) but until
then its taking up space.
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wilkingj
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 03:51 PM |
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Hmm... My 20TDi Landy pump rebuild cost me over £800.
Land Rover Main Stealer Prices:
Exchange £1500
New £2400
and that was about 8 years ago.
I would only use clean oil or Estrified Veg oil (Bio Diesel)
Think about all those little bits of ROCK HARD carbon in that oil. It will grind and score the pump. PLus the emissions and crap that would build up
in the engine.
I wouldnt do it.
I would rather run it on 28sec heating oil with some fresh oil chucked in for the pump and injector lube!
Mind you thats not legal, and the Customs & Excise are well aware of all these "dodges"
You need to register as a home fuel producer, then pay C&E the Road Fuel tax for the quantity of fuel you produce.
This is still a LOT cheaper than pump diesel and above all its legal.
A mates wife worked for C&E some years ago when we looked into it.
Its not hard to do, or to set up.
Its surprising the amount you can make as a home producer. Certainly more than you can use in a normal month.
EDIT:
I agree best use in to heat the workshop with it.
See the Motherearth Oil Heaters, and in particular this one -
LINKY
[Edited on 14/10/2009 by wilkingj]
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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MikeR
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 03:58 PM |
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the rules on bio diesel are make up to 2500l a year and pay no tax
If you do look at using bio the general rule is Bosch pumps are great, Lucas pumps die quickly. Landy's can have either on them.
(i looked a going bio a while ago)
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 05:37 PM |
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Boil it and sell it back to your customers as underseal (seriously), then buy proper diesel with the profit.
All RN minesweepers used boiled sump oit to protect the standing rigging from the salt water spray, worked brilliantly
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 06:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
I know someone who has an oil burning workshop heater that uses all that engine oil left over from racing. That's probably the best use for it.
If you want some used engine oil, I have plenty in my garage. One day I'm going to dispose of it at the local recycling depot (dump) but until
then its taking up space.
Or build yourself an oil fired smelter and make your own ali castings.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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Wheels244
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 07:37 PM |
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I've had Landrovers for years and currently have a very modded Discovery.
I've never heard of a Landrover or anything else for that matter, running on engine oil, short of a worn engine running on it's own oil
just prior to self destructing.
Not saying it's not possible, I've just never heard of it and I'm a member of a few Landrover forums where it would have been
mentioned.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 14/10/09 at 07:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Wheels244
I've never heard of a Landrover or anything else for that matter, running on engine oil, short of a worn engine running on it's own oil
just prior to self destructing.
Me either.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 15/10/09 at 06:03 AM |
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There is a vid on youtube of a deisel engine running on used oil.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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hughpinder
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| posted on 15/10/09 at 07:40 AM |
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Obviously for 'offroad' use only, but you can run a diesel on 28 sec kerosene (heating oil) as long as you add something to give it some
lubricity. I believe 5l 15/W40 per 205l barrel of heating oil(and stir well when added) works a treat.
Hugh
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 15/10/09 at 07:46 AM |
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just had a long look at this site. Looks fairly easy, but the amount of kit you
need would take over the garage!
That is the only thing putting me off. I dont have the space for a 'still' type arrangement, or i would have a 'still' for
other uses...
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 15/10/09 at 10:01 AM |
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DO NOT attempt to run your Land Rover on used engine oil. The feedstock oil itself (whether mineral or ester) isn't suitable, let alone the
additives that are in there that will destroy/clog everything.
Trust me, I am/was a chemist (redundant).
Only safe option is to transesterify old/new vegetable cooking oil. Take your old chip fat, add methanol and Na/KOH, stir, leave to settle, decant the
glycerol, filter whats left and add to Land Rover.
Nitrate the waste glycerol and have some fun...
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 15/10/09 at 10:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by motorcycle_mayhem
Nitrate the waste glycerol and have some fun...
**Fight Club**
You could erase all of the countries debt in one foul swoop..... or get arrested for bomb making!
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 15/10/09 at 06:41 PM |
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I think you should try it . Let us know when the engine and injection pump are cattle trucked!
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iank
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| posted on 15/10/09 at 06:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hughpinder
Obviously for 'offroad' use only, but you can run a diesel on 28 sec kerosene (heating oil) as long as you add something to give it some
lubricity. I believe 5l 15/W40 per 205l barrel of heating oil(and stir well when added) works a treat.
Hugh
Running a car on heating oil (aka red diesel) is asking for customs and excise to crush your car and stick you with a big fine.
Land rovers are especially likely to be checked as farmers are allowed to use it in agricultural vehicles, but are sometimes tempted to slip a few
gallons in the car.
There's a petrol station in the next village that sells it to the farmers and HMcustoms sit in the car park over the road checking anyone
'suspicious', they got a video of one guy calmly filling his Rover from the pump apparently - the car will be in a cube now.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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