edspurrier
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 02:35 PM |
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Satellite Road Tax
From pistonheads:
Sat Tax
If that arrives here at those rates, it'll cost me £130 a month to go to work.
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morcus
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 02:39 PM |
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If someone made an electoral promiss to prevent this they'd surely win a general election?
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blakep82
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 02:43 PM |
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would be a shame if the tracker in the car lost power for some reason... blown fuse etc?
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 02:54 PM |
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what happens if you go into a tunnel or are in a city with little view of the sky?
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mookaloid
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 03:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
what happens if you go into a tunnel or are in a city with little view of the sky?
I don't suppose it would need to know where the car is every second. If it saw it in one place and then half an hour later it was 30 miles away
then it would charge for the 30 miles, I guess. 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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MK9R
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 03:05 PM |
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cover the car in lead?????
You just know that if this came to the UK, fuel prices wouldn't drop and there would still be a road tax disc of some sort to pay for, so it
would be purely another charge on the motorist!
Cheers Austen
RGB car number 9
www.austengreenway.co.uk
www.automatedtechnologygroup.co.uk
www.trackace.co.uk
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r1_pete
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 03:11 PM |
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Its going to cost transport firms a fortune, 8 or 10 cars on one transporter..
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 03:19 PM |
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Grrr what is wrong with fuel tax... Taxes per CO2 output, perfect!
Hopefully it will not be retrospective, more reason to keep the old car on the road..
Dan
[Edited on 17/11/09 by Bluemoon]
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blakep82
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 03:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
cover the car in lead?????
You just know that if this came to the UK, fuel prices wouldn't drop and there would still be a road tax disc of some sort to pay for, so it
would be purely another charge on the motorist!
i would like to see everyone bycott it, by removing any such system from the car. if everyone did it then it would cause chaos. they couldn't
possibly prosecute every driver in the whole country for it 
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D Beddows
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 03:43 PM |
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sorry but toll roads are the way forward! every time I get near Birmingham I have the choice of being stuck in a queue between junctions 12ish to 7ish
or paying £5 to go on the toll road where I can have a relaxing drive past Birmingham and stop for a wee at one of the more pleasant services on the
M6..... 8 times out of 10 there isn't much of a choice to make! OK on a daily basis the £5's would add up but otherwise...... 
Apart from that forget spending the money on road widening b*llocks - spend the same money on railway lines next to the motorway instead to get at
least half the wagons off the road that spend half an hour blocking two lanes of the motorway overtaking each other at 60 and 62 miles an hour
respectively  Yes I know I'm about to get flamed by lorry drivers but to be honest I'm not all that bothered! and yes I realise
that wagons would still be needed to take the goods from the freight depots to their end destination blocking up towns and A roads etc - but it would
be a huge step forward in getting the country moving properly again!
And no, I realise it wont ever happen
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smart51
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 03:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
If someone made an electoral promiss to prevent this they'd surely win a general election?
I'd vote for them. Unless it was David "Greasy Weasel" Cameron because I wouldn't trust him not to go back on his promise.
Or Gordon Brown. What's the other chap called again?
quote:
Originally posted by Bluemoon
Grrr what is wrong with fuel tax... Taxes per CO2 output, perfect!
I agree fully but it is not about the environment, it is about congestion. There are more people who want to travel than roads to carry them and New
Labour's only policy tool is to tax things. Congestion is a problem. Tax it. Personally I think it is a stupid idea. No-one commutes for fun
and taxing it won't stop it. We need politicians with leadership and good ideas to sort this problem. Gordon Brown is not it.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 03:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
sorry but toll roads are the way forward! every time I get near Birmingham I have the choice of being stuck in a queue between junctions 12ish to 7ish
or paying £5 to go on the toll road where I can have a relaxing drive past Birmingham and stop for a wee at one of the more pleasant services on the
M6..... 8 times out of 10 there isn't much of a choice to make! OK on a daily basis the £5's would add up but otherwise......
Apart from that forget spending the money on road widening b*llocks - spend the same money on railway lines next to the motorway instead to get at
least half the wagons off the road that spend half an hour blocking two lanes of the motorway overtaking each other at 60 and 62 miles an hour
respectively Yes I know I'm about to get flamed by lorry drivers but to be honest I'm not all that bothered! and yes I realise
that wagons would still be needed to take the goods from the freight depots to their end destination blocking up towns and A roads etc - but it would
be a huge step forward in getting the country moving properly again!
And no, I realise it wont ever happen
a more simple answer would be to ban wagons from the main roads during the day and only use them during the night when the roads are not in much use
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morcus
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 04:06 PM |
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If it was about pollution they would be doing more to get frieght onto trains and off Lorries (A huge percentage of which are foreign lorries with
foriegn drivers who bring their own foreign fuel with them and thus pay no tax, And Park on public roads opposite lorry parks to steal £5 from their
own employers). The government do this kind of crap to squeeze money out of us, and there is no alternative (Theres nowhere within a hours walk that I
could get a bus from that wouldn't take me somewhere I could walk to quicker, and the train is a total Joke, it would cost me about 4 times as
much money to get to london and back on a train compaired to the car and takes about 4 times as long, plus I have to go via London to get to anywhere
futher away than brighton, and all thats assuming there's someone to actually sell me a ticket).
Are there any HGV drivers on Locostbuilders?
[Edited on 17/11/09 by morcus]
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flak monkey
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 04:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
i would like to see everyone bycott it, by removing any such system from the car. if everyone did it then it would cause chaos. they couldn't
possibly prosecute every driver in the whole country for it
My thoughts exactly.
I would also like to see them try and fit one to a kit car I wonder how long it would stay connected.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 04:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
Are there any HGV drivers on Locostbuilders?
I come from an extended family where truck driving is the common trade. My close family pay the bills from a private swarf haulage business (just my
dad, his cab and a collection of trailers).
why?
Craig
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skodaman
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 04:33 PM |
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If this comes in I'm off to live abroad (again).
Skodaman
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55ant
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 05:13 PM |
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if its about polution, how much is made by launching a fleet of satelites? and all the fancy stuff theyre made of. driving is simply becoming to
expensive, in a country that fails to invest in any other means of transport.
away from cars, now cycling and building TT bikes
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morcus
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 05:24 PM |
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I only asked because someone else said they thought they'd get flamed by them.
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spaximus
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 05:34 PM |
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There are many things at work here, this is in preparation when the fuel is electric or hydrogen, they cannot tax the same way so per mile is an easy
option for them. The reliance on oil from the most unstable regions is a concern, Russia has already demonstrated by cutting of gas to the Ukraine
they are willing to use blackmail. There is also an EU grand plan to get more people off the roads onto public transport and the satelite system will
also enable them to know your every movement.
We should boycott it but we will not, any who try to organise such an event will suddenly find themselves like the haulier who led the fuel protest.
He suddenly had every agency on his back from the Vat man to Vosa until he had no business, coincidence, yeah right! They can use the laws recently
passed to stop any gathering with ease. There will be those exempt from the charges, MPs, Royalty probably those on benefit and you and I will be
stuffed. I just hope a stray metiorite will knock it out before it goes any further.
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A1
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 05:48 PM |
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we should have a public crucifixion of whoever invented that. then start on the politicians.
thats just wrong.
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blakep82
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 05:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 55ant
if its about polution, how much is made by launching a fleet of satelites? and all the fancy stuff theyre made of. driving is simply becoming to
expensive, in a country that fails to invest in any other means of transport.
surely it just uses GPS satalites already in the sky?
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 07:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
quote:
Originally posted by 55ant
if its about polution, how much is made by launching a fleet of satelites? and all the fancy stuff theyre made of. driving is simply becoming to
expensive, in a country that fails to invest in any other means of transport.
surely it just uses GPS satalites already in the sky?
Nope, the Galileo system is a whole new European system.
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maartenromijn
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 07:24 PM |
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I live in Holland and I am totally NOT looking forward to this system being introduced.
Be aware! The next step is automated speeding tickets using the same GPS!
BLOG: http://thunderroad-super7.blogspot.com/
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flak monkey
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 08:09 PM |
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Sadly the governments think the public and especially motorists are pushovers and will continue to foorce this sort of cr@p on us until we make a
stand about it.
Its gone beyond a joke, and is solely about money making now from something which a lot of us have no choice about, I live 17 miles from work, to get
there by bus means 2 changes and 1.5 hours, even then I wouldnt get there on time. No local train station either. Perhaps the most annoying
thing is the fact the money isnt ploughed back into improving infrastructure and just seems to be spent on implementing new ways of catching motorists
out or bailing out w@nkers in suits.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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