daniel mason
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 01:03 PM |
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OT KNEE BRACES
Hi guys. am really struggling with knee injury caused from football injury.
march 2005 tore medial ligament in left knee playing football.
january 2006 tore medial ligament in left knee.playing football.
march 2006 tore anterior cruciate ligamrnt in left knee after slipping on ice.
april 2006 had opration to remove damaged cartliage in left knee and to have camera in knee to asess damage (where i found out cruciate was torn)
they will not repair a torn ligament and will only operate on a snapped ligament. the problem is that it was 4 years ago since last injury and still
cant run,kick a ball, and struggle at work from all the bending down. do you guys know of any good braces which will stop the knee giving way and add
support so i can do some exercise and weights to re-build all the dead muscle? thanks
[Edited on 31/12/09 by daniel mason]
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 01:10 PM |
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A lad at work (who needs permanent support on his knee at the moment) hates the braces and swears by differing strengths sleeves/elasticated
bandage...
Have you sought medical advice on whether wearing strapping would be good for you in the long term? I have a very bad back (Nowhere near Scootz mind!)
and I know that if I wore something that would support me then my back would get steadily worse...
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daniel mason
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 01:17 PM |
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i need to use it when in the gym whilst doing weights,as i need to build muscle around the knee. i need something with plates down either side of my
knee as it just buckles with just body weight.
as for medical advice,i spent months at the hospital for physio/ultrasound and her advice was to kick a curb as hard as i can to snap my ligaments.
but that is not an option as i have a mortgage and cant afford months off work with no pay. also insurance wont touch my left knee
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carpmart
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 01:22 PM |
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What a ridiculous piece of advice! In order to get treatment, injure yourself further!
I hope you reported that to the hospital management as its disgraceful behavior!
You only live once - make the most of it!
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 01:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by carpmart
What a ridiculous piece of advice! In order to get treatment, injure yourself further!
I hope you reported that to the hospital management as its disgraceful behavior!
much the same advice when we needed a dry house...have another baby they said
the system sucks.
On the braces the snowboarders use some good ones.try that sports suppliers for them.
As for the knee exercises use the cheap sand weights from jjb sports. The Mrs has loads of injury's from her karate and this was how she sorted
the strength problem in her knee.
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daniel mason
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 01:35 PM |
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i have gone through all the rehab which the hospital gave me plus years of my own exercices,and nothing has worked up to now.obviously some days are
worse than others but i always feel like i have to be so careful doing anything an as im now 28, i have not played any sport since i was 23.(they
should have been my best years)
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02GF74
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 01:45 PM |
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was one of the exercises cycling?
cycling on a trubo trainer can be as easy or as hard as you like plus there is no load bearing so you may not need to use a brace, plus being in one
plane, you are not likely to twist the knee.
downside it is a boring as g***lk
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daniel mason
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 01:47 PM |
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done loads of cycling on exercise bikes but it feels as if my leg is very unstable when i get off .
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JoelP
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 01:55 PM |
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depressing isnt it, to feel like you're falling apart before 30. I did my shoulder in at work lifting something over my head, took 2 years to
get better. That was about 6 months without excercise then 6 months of gentle exercise. Then it felt funny again so another 6 months off... Also
constant aches in knees and left wrist. Oh, and elbows in the cold 
All i can think though is that if it buckles under your body weight, it needs looking at again by a doctor - that sounds too bad to sort yourself with
excercise.
I would think that resting it for many months might allow ligaments to mend, then build it up gently, but i dont think its going to be easy to rest it
for that long.
Id suggest using a crutch and get a sick note for work so they take it seriously and dont have you lifting things.
BUT, im no professional.
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fesycresy
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 02:21 PM |
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Firstly, get a second opinion. The waiting list may be longer but the NHS should still operate. Now here's the key to cutting the waiting list
down. Tell the doctor you will pay for the consultant, that should take 18 months to 2 years off the list, my cousin has just done it.
My knees are shot and luckily my company took out private health insurance on me before I needed surgery.
Supports can make your knee worse, depending on the injury, again specialist advice or trial and error, is needed. Closed knee cap supports really
bugger me up. For me straps are much better as they don't push the knee out from the back when you bend.
Tried strengthening with a stationary bike as mention, but anything more than 15 minutes and I'll pay for it over the next few days.
I'd get back to the doctors if I were you, get refered and get some advice from a specialist, not a bunch of amateur car builders 
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Howlor
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 02:27 PM |
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Had the same injury to my right knee 12 years ago. Snapped a ligament on the football pitch and tore the other. Significant pain was an
understatement!
I have tried the braces with the metal support bars down the side to stop it coming too far forward or sideways. Does help a bit but I have found it
has strengthened better not wearing it. 12 years on and I kicked my little lads lightweight football on the beach this summer, gave it a full beans
volley, nearly passed out! Mine is now ok 99% of the time just don't kick lightweight footballs n you will be fine.
Steve
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 02:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
depressing isnt it, to feel like you're falling apart before 30.
Tell me about it, I'm 28 my right elbow is knackered, right knee is always painful, as are both my Achilles tendons and neck.
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MikeR
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 03:20 PM |
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friend had a torn acl - had it done on the nhs. knee is now fine but she's given up football as doesn't want a reoccurance.
Get yourself infront of a surgeon.
(know what you mean about feeling broken - got a lump on my left achilies that hurts when i walk, get a sore lower back if i stand up too long and
have tender tendons (rsi?) in my fingers which means lots of things hurt - even occasionally just putting my hand in my pocket!!! oh, i'm 36)
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scootz
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 03:30 PM |
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Kick up a stink!
In my experience, average Joe gets a pretty raw deal from the NHS because he meekly nods his head when presented with the classic 50-year-waiting-list
scenario. I know I did!
I am where I am because I meekly accepted various Consultants findings that my extreme back pain was just normal 'wear and tear' and that
my young age meant that it wasn't worthy of an MRI scan. It would all sort itself out!
I eventually got an MRI scan after 10 years of being in constant pain, but not from the NHS... nope - (from the Bosnian health service whilst
working over there for the Government!). In less than an hour, they had diagnosed what the NHS had failed to in many years. That I had 5
herniated discs - all protruding centrally into the spinal canal - and that my canal and cauda-equina were misshapen. Net result... major nerves
screwed, mobility severely compromised and chronic pain levels through the roof. The only medication that has any affect is opiate based, so my time
is split between being in a dreamworld, cold-turkey, or in excruciating pain!
I can cope with it because I know that I am privileged in so many ways and have a lot to be thankful for. I do, however, get pretty pissed off when I
think back that there was a good chance that it could all have been avoided if they had allowed me an MRI scan when I asked for one way back at the
start!
Stand up for yourself... I found out the hard way that no-one else will do it for you!
It's Evolution Baby!
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 03:56 PM |
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Don't know if it's any good to you but I have a brand new 'Aircast' pneumatic patella brace. Consists of a pneumatically
padded frame that fits around the kneecap and velcro straps to go around the leg, above and below the knee.
I got it for my wife but she never got the chance to try it.
If it's any good mate, you are welcome to it.
I can e-mail pics if you like.
HTH
John.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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daniel mason
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 04:39 PM |
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i know a surgeon would be the answer but i know the injury and i know the timescale of the re- hab. months off work and a big mortgage mean its not
possible with no pay.
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oldtimer
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 06:04 PM |
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This place may have what you need - but take advice first.
http://www.physioroom.com/catalog.php?cid=2034&affid=7&gclid=CJqjjfKegZ8CFUYA4wode3mEIA
After knee surgery I went from x-trainer to rowing machine then cycling to find the best exercise (least pain enducing) for me.
Back ache was mentioned too - sailing is very effective at building lower back muscles due to the constant small balance corrections - makes a nice
holiday too!
Best of luck.
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Angel Acevedo
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 06:59 PM |
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OT. Back Injury
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Kick up a stink!
In my experience, average Joe gets a pretty raw deal from the NHS because he meekly nods his head when presented with the classic 50-year-waiting-list
scenario. I know I did!
I am where I am because I meekly accepted various Consultants findings that my extreme back pain was just normal 'wear and tear' and that
my young age meant that it wasn't worthy of an MRI scan. It would all sort itself out!
I eventually got an MRI scan after 10 years of being in constant pain, but not from the NHS... nope - (from the Bosnian health service whilst
working over there for the Government!). In less than an hour, they had diagnosed what the NHS had failed to in many years. That I had 5
herniated discs - all protruding centrally into the spinal canal - and that my canal and cauda-equina were misshapen. Net result... major nerves
screwed, mobility severely compromised and chronic pain levels through the roof. The only medication that has any affect is opiate based, so my time
is split between being in a dreamworld, cold-turkey, or in excruciating pain!
I can cope with it because I know that I am privileged in so many ways and have a lot to be thankful for. I do, however, get pretty pissed off when I
think back that there was a good chance that it could all have been avoided if they had allowed me an MRI scan when I asked for one way back at the
start!
Stand up for yourself... I found out the hard way that no-one else will do it for you!
Scootz,
I have just undergone (Nov 23rd) surgery from Intervertebral Disk Hernias.
I was lifting a KS mattress when it springed back an threw me off balance, herniaating 3 disk in the process, two of them beyond Analgesic kingdom.
I have medical insurance with my company, so, off to the hospital, Rx for initial assesment, with that they determined tha I required MRI, on MRI,
diagnosis confirned, Luckyly for me there´s a very good Spinal Injury Traumatologist that happens to have studied in Irelan or GB (I´m not quite
sure). He suggested Minimum Invasive surgery to remove the most damaged disks, and install two X-Stop separators.
Surgery was a succes, as I left the hospital 4 days later WALKING on my own.
with a faja its an elastic wide belt for a couple of weeks. This caused my abdominal and back muscles to lose strenght, now I am on Rehab to
make up for that loss of strenght, and learning to walk again.
Bottom line is, your body will recover faster with a lot of rest, and withouth restraints, as this teaches your body to adjust according to your
strenght, provided you have proper form, if you don´t have proper form, then some kind of brace will be preferred.
I´m no doctor, just what I have experienced.
There is a forum member that buids prosthetic devives, he may be able to add a tip or two.
Hope this helps.
AA
Beware of what you wish.. for it may come true....
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scootz
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 07:12 PM |
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Cheers Angel...
It's Evolution Baby!
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02GF74
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 08:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
done loads of cycling on exercise bikes but it feels as if my leg is very unstable when i get off .
interesting , not the response I expected.
I know a good sesh on the bike can leave both legs wobbly but wold have thought that soon passes and legs will strengthen. but then I am not injured
in the legs so what do I know?
I suppose the next exercise to suggest is swimming - they make horses run in water so there must be some good in it, again, the waterwill support your
weight.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 31/12/09 at 08:07 PM |
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Yeah go back to the doctor, until I'm looking toward my retirement I'm not going to accept "wear and tear"
I've had problems with my back and one time it "twinged" the doctor prescribed me something that only made me feel ill. When I went
back they told me to take paracetamol too. I told them there must be something else they can do as I'm not going to be on painkillers for
the rest of my life at the age of 23. Two weeks later I was in physio and I've had one bad episode since.
Ok you may not be running marathons but there will be something else they can do
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