woodster
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 11:25 AM |
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Gary Mckinnon
It looks like a bit of common sense could be used .....
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security/2010/05/20/nasa-hacker-mckinnons-extradition-put-on-hold-40088988/
i know he did wrong but the labour government seemed to do anything the yanks said .. all a bit one sided
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blakep82
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 11:28 AM |
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i like how the new government have done away with all sorts of useless crap already, like ID cards (don't we all have enough ID already?) home
information packs (everyone applying for a mortgage needs to have their own valuation done anyway)
looking alright so far. we'll wait and see what happens with vat...
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James
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 12:08 PM |
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Having listened to various Radio4 programmes about the case/Gary Mckinnon I feel really sorry for him.
He's just an uber-geek who's now being declared as having aspergers.
When you read about how easily he got into the US' systems and that there were constant hacks by others from all over the world is really does
makes you wonder how they can claim he caused $700k worth of damage!
Their security was a joke before this and they should be thanking him for highlighting some of their security issues!
Cheers,
James
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James
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 12:09 PM |
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I am sooooo pleased about ID cards going. I've detested this scheme since the outset and am over the moon it's gone at long last!
Love ya Nick!!! 
Cheers,
James
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bartonp
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 12:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
I am sooooo pleased about ID cards going. I've detested this scheme since the outset and am over the moon it's gone at long last!
Love ya Nick!!!
Cheers,
James
Gone until the next Labour government...
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Tipster69
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 12:14 PM |
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I have followed with interest the Gary McKinnon case for a number of years.
It would be a travesty (imho) if he were extradited. It seems a bit "one way traffic" between us and the USA.
As an aside, my son has Aspergers Syndrome and to think of him ever being placed in a similar situation sometime in his life, well it just
doesn't bear thinking about.
http://freegary.org.uk/
[Edited on 20/5/10 by Tipster69]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 01:30 PM |
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While I think the Pentagon has taken this much too far what Mckinnon did was well out of order, and to suddenly claim he had Aspergers to me seems
like the diagnosis of dementia on Ernest Saunders and late general Pinochet lets just say a tad more than a bit fishy.
Mckinnon comes over to me just an obessed anorak who after being dumped by his girlfriend shut himself away from thereal world. Even if you do
accept he has mild autism or aspergers anyone with any family with these conditions will tell you suffers from these conditions can right from wrong.
However to extradite him to the US to face a US Fedaral Court where he is likely to face disproportionate punishment is wrong and could be viewed as
cruel and unusual punishment in itself.
My guess is the US originally wanted to get get him on US soil so they could use him as a hacker working for them but having been faced with trouble
extraditing him felt slighted and threw a tantrum.
With Ant & Dec in Downing Street nothing is going to change.
[Edited on 20/5/10 by britishtrident]
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02GF74
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 01:43 PM |
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I'm with BT.
f**k him. If he came round your house and rummaged around, you'd be calling to have his goolies chopped off. Just because it is
"data" then that does not make it ok?
No. He knew what he was doing. No sympathy, no cauliflower syndrome excuses either. 
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James
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 04:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
Just because it is "data" then that does not make it ok?
Yes it does. A bit of stupid data about whether UFO's exist or not... who cares!
With no appreciable damage caused it is not worth 70 years in a maximum security prison!
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redscamp
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 06:34 PM |
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I think he is lucky,the Russians would not mess around trying to extradite him.
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Simon
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 07:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
f**k him. If he came round your house and rummaged around, you'd be calling to have his goolies chopped off.
So if, for eg, a slightly delusional person had a look around your house took nothing, did no damage but basically let you know where your major
security flaws were, without costing you any money, you'd not be grateful (and granted, slightly miffed), knowing that the next person might
not be so helpful.
Strange.
ATB
Simon
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scootz
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 07:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
f**k him. If he came round your house and rummaged around, you'd be calling to have his goolies chopped off.
So if, for eg, a slightly delusional person had a look around your house took nothing, did no damage but basically let you know where your major
security flaws were, without costing you any money, you'd not be grateful (and granted, slightly miffed), knowing that the next person might
not be so helpful.
Strange.
ATB
Simon
Not sure who's reply is the weirdest here! 
It's Evolution Baby!
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Simon
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| posted on 20/5/10 at 07:43 PM |
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At the end of the day, he did nothing other than embarrass the biggest ego on the planet (the US gov) and at the same time showed them where a few of
their security issues were.
Apparently Gary M cost them $700k, well big deal. If a vindicative little scrote got in there, he might have cost them a whole lot more.
ATB
Simon
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woodster
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| posted on 21/5/10 at 09:17 AM |
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the strange bit of a very strange story is Mr Mckinnon has always said that he wasn't the only hacker in the system interviewed by the bbc in
2006 he said it was so easy to hack in that there were dozens of other people in the system at the same time as him ...... why pick on him was it what
he allegedly was looking at
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scootz
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| posted on 21/5/10 at 12:03 PM |
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My initial thoughts are this:
He hacked into their system...
He knew this was wrong and carried a penalty...
So, tough - he gets what's coming!
However, I am taking an increased dislike to the Good 'Ol USA! As I broadened my horizons, I have come to realise that that the 'Special
Relationship' is nothing more than a one-way infatuation! Would the Americans extradite one of theirs to Blighty??? I doubt it very much!
So tough... I hope the USA doesn't get hold of him!
It's Evolution Baby!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 21/5/10 at 02:09 PM |
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I think that the main reason everone's up in arms is the potential sentence that he may receive, together with the very slim chance of getting a
fair trial.
In the UK (and probably most places in the EU) he would probably get a big fat fine, maybe get bound over, or if he's very unlucky a year or so
in a low-security jail. If he's very lucky/unlucky MI5 will recruit him!
The US are threatening 70 years in maximum security, courtesy of a kangaroo court.
People wouldn't bat an eyelid about the extradition if they knew he was going to get a fair trial, with a realistic sentence if found guilty...
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