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Ipad
Writen on a ipad at gatwick airport he he
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eddie99
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 02:36 PM |
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I want one, very cool machines!!!! Had a play with one the other day. What do you think of it?
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flak monkey
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 02:56 PM |
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Some sort of sanitary product?
Sera
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westf27
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 03:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Some sort of sanitary product?
excellent 
555
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craig1410
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 03:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
I want one, very cool machines!!!! Had a play with one the other day. What do you think of it?
In a word, "Magical!"
Seriously though, if we skip the marketing for a moment, it really is a very nice little device for doing 90% of the things which a typical user
already does on a laptop or desktop, but with greater comfort and convenience.
I'm talking web browsing, emailing, working with photo's, videos, music and documents. You can read books too and I don't mean
squint at them like you have to do on the iPhone, you can really read them in a relaxed way. No noisy fans required to keep the iPad cool and no
sweaty legs after 15 minutes of web browsing. Instant-on and to cap it all you get 10 to 12 hours of running from a battery charge.
Some people are sceptical about the idea of a touchscreen keyboard but typing this just now I am getting probably 80% of my usual pretty fast typing
speed and with hardly any mistakes.
I've had mine since last Saturday and at the time £499 for the 32GB WiFi model gave me pause in this era of cheap and nasty laptops and netbooks
but this is still less than half of what I paid for a good laptop for my wife about 5 years ago. I think we forget sometimes just how cheap some
things have become and to a large extent this stifles the development of new, innovative products. Apple are one of the few companies who, for a
variety of reasons, are still able to innovate and iPad is a prime example.
For anyone out there who spends time doing any of the things I mentioned above and who perhaps has a desktop or full-blown laptop available to them to
cover off the things which the iPad can't do well, I would highly recommend that you go to an apple store, or other stockist, and give one a
try. Note that iPad does need a computer to perform initial setup and to carry out ongoing sync with your documents and media but this can be a
windows PC or a Mac.
I hope this helps,
Craig.
ps. Be aware that Apple does tend to be divisive amongst, particularly the more technical computer users. Some love it, some hate it. I'm a
software consultant with almost 30 years of PC experience but bought my first Mac 3 years ago after I became disillusioned with the lack of innovation
in the PC industry. I still use PC's at work but far prefer my Mac. My advice is to make up your own mind by trying the products yourself in the
apple store. These products have reached a level of maturity where anyone can use them so you don't need to consult your "knowledgeable
friend" who may have a strong opinion one way or the other. Do the same with PC products and then make a decision. If you decide to go with
Apple then in my experience you will not regret it. They really look after customers both pre-sales and post-sales. You can hang out in the Apple
store for hours if you like with no pressure sales. You can also get free workshops if you ask.
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hobbsy
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 03:48 PM |
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Meh. It's just a big iPhone or less if no 3g. As you said divisive amongst IT dudes. Macs are good for people who can only cope with one mouse
button etc! Windows is no better.
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craig1410
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 04:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hobbsy
Meh. It's just a big iPhone or less if no 3g. As you said divisive amongst IT dudes. Macs are good for people who can only cope with one mouse
button etc! Windows is no better.
Been a few years since you used a Mac has it? 
My iMac's mouse has no less than 4 buttons. [edit: I think I misread your reply, I think you were just giving an example of a typical anti-Mac
comment?]
The "big iPhone" comment is common amongst those who haven't played with an iPad. Most of the professional reviews of iPad start by
saying something like, "I thought it was just a big iPhone/iPod Touch but then..."
Cars are good for people who don't know how to ride a horse and can't be bothered clearing up the sh1t!
[Edited on 6/6/2010 by craig1410]
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hobbsy
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 04:14 PM |
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I'm aware the single mouse button comment is out of date but it was just bait. I've used an ipad and the plus points are the ui and touch
screen but for 5 or £600 I think most people would be better off with a netbook irrespective of OS
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craig1410
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 04:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hobbsy
I'm aware the single mouse button comment is out of date but it was just bait. I've used an ipad and the plus points are the ui and touch
screen but for 5 or £600 I think most people would be better off with a netbook irrespective of OS
Yeah, see my comments above, I realised after my initial reply that you were kidding about the mouse. 
I'm not a big fan of netbooks myself. I think anyone with a proper laptop or desktop will be frustrated by a netbook whereas the iPad is
different enough and has a charm of it's own which makes you forgive any inherent limitations.
Just my opinion which of course is just as valid as your own. My earlier aadvice still stands - everyone should make up their own mind.
Cheers,
Craig.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 04:31 PM |
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I dont like most apple products as they tend to be over priced and sell on gimmicks or trendyness.
Ipad is no different - why spend £500 on something that cant run more than one app at a time and wont support flash (due to Apples stubborness) which
is a big downside for web browsing if you ask me... Also no widescreen and a low res screen which makes it terrible for watching movies on
(apparently a selling point).
If they had done something about the above then I would have a much different opinion.
Sure it has some good points but its too big to carry around everywhere you go, so you might as well have a notebook - not as flashy but more
functionality in the same sized pakage.
[Edited on 6/6/10 by flak monkey]
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eddie99
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 04:33 PM |
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Just a quick point, i watched an HD movie on one and the resolution was pretty great!
AND: Providing you stick to the apple main apps such as safari, you can multitask. Its just the bought in apps that are only one thing at a time
[Edited on 6/6/10 by eddie99]
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 05:10 PM |
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Most of the iPad reviews/blogs I have read seem to have very weak justifications of the lack of flash and proper multitasking.
Apparently, in the same way that Firefox drove web developers to adhere to standards more closely, the iPad is going to single handedly stop web
developers from using Flash in future website designs. Despite that fact that virtually every mainstream browser supports it...
And denying the opportunity for users to enjoy the benefit of multitasking with third party applications apparently improves the users experience due
to longer battery life and "reduced confusion".
Sadly it seems that truly independent reviews not written by apple apologists are the exception. The iPad could be great, but I don't think it
is yet. Just like the iPhone, later adopters will likely get a better product, but unlike the phone you won't get a free/low cost one with a
phone contract. Meanwhile Android based products will undoubtedly be offering superior features for substantially less cost.
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prawnabie
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 05:23 PM |
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Id just get a macbook
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mcerd1
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 07:11 PM |
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'Ipad Killer'
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craig1410
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 07:21 PM |
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@FlakMonkey: The iPad was expected to cost almost double what Apple are charging for it. The screen is an IPS TFT (basically the best type of TFT you
can get) and is absolutely fantastic to look at, especially for watching movies. A widescreen display is pretty rubbish for doing anything other than
watching movies - a poor compromise IMHO. As eddie99 has said, you can multi-task. Even on third party apps, the speed of switching between apps makes
it seem to multi-task. Speaking as a software developer, flash has had its day and was never very good. Time for a change and Apple (and Microsoft)
are helping that transition along. Hurray I say. Comparing it to the size of a notebook makes me wonder if you've actually held an iPad in your
hands. Have you? They are much smaller and lighter than a notebook (or even netbook) and yet are highly functional.
@eddie99: I agree with your comments about the screen. The resolution is 1024x768 so you can watch 720p movies which is better than DVD quality
(480p).
@MikeRJ: In practical use, you hardly notice the absence of flash support as many websites have already, or are soon to be converted, to other
technologies. Flash will fall by the wayside over the next few years IMO. As for multi-tasking, many of the reviews of Android based phones have noted
that "proper" multi-tasking kills battery life badly and have acknowledged that perhaps Apple were correct to be cautious in this area.
Apple are enhancing multi-tasking in iPhone OS4 which is released (probably) tomorrow and will follow for the iPad in the autumn. This will allow
iPhone OS developers like myself to register parts of the app to continue to run after the main app has quit. This helps to free up the memory and CPU
used by parts of the app which don't need to continue running (eg. display) while allowing the app to do stuff like wait for a Skype call or MSN
message. To my mind this is a much better solution that allowing developers to consume as much memory and CPU as they want for background tasks and
perhaps harm the user experience of the device as a whole. There are plenty of balanced reviews of the iPad out there if you look for them. Finally, I
would expect future iPad developments to be mainly software based and Apple have in the past been pretty good at upgrading original devices with newer
software so I fully expect my iPad will remain up to date until at least 12 months from now and quite possibly 24 months. After that I may be missing
some new hardware (eg. camera) but will probably be able to run most software.
Anyone who knows me knows that I am strong willed, not easily led and don't give a damn about being trendy. However, I do appreciate good design
and sound engineering and that is what Apple is producing these days. The fact that their products look good is a bonus. A bit like a Porsche 911
perhaps...
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eddie99
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 07:23 PM |
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Ahh thanks for reminding me. Apple are releasing the release date for the 4g iphone tomorrow
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craig1410
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 07:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
Ahh thanks for reminding me. Apple are releasing the release date for the 4g iphone tomorrow
Yes, at 10am pacific time (18:00 BST). Hopefully the iPhone HD (or 4G, or whatever) will be available immediately but with the supply chain being
stretched by the iPad I'm not sure.
You can keep up with the details on http://www.macrumors.com
I'm probably not going to upgrade my iPhone 3G initially anyway as it is still going strong and 23 months after I bought it, it still runs all
the latest software. I was going to upgrade but bought the iPad instead. Good decision I think.
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hobbsy
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 08:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
I was going to upgrade but bought the iPad instead. Good decision I think.
But what can you do on it that you can't do on an iphone or ipod touch at far less cost or on a proper laptop or netbook or mac book all at
possibly less cost?
A nice UI but anything that is worth having (other than that which generates revenue in its own right like eBay) costs money. I can think of a bunch
of "apps" on other platforms which are free.
Where is Racechrono for the iphone? Where is the obdspy type app which used a common £20 bluetooth dongle? Oh yeah there is one for the iphone but
it uses a wifi dongle that costs ~£120 and the app is ~£20 as well.
Anyone wanna swap a 3gs iphone for a nexus one? I have an iphone, nice ui, ok for basic web browsing and emai etc (but so are most modern phones).
Do I regret buying it... yes!
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craig1410
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 08:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hobbsy
quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
I was going to upgrade but bought the iPad instead. Good decision I think.
But what can you do on it that you can't do on an iphone or ipod touch at far less cost or on a proper laptop or netbook or mac book all at
possibly less cost?
A nice UI but anything that is worth having (other than that which generates revenue in its own right like eBay) costs money. I can think of a bunch
of "apps" on other platforms which are free.
Where is Racechrono for the iphone? Where is the obdspy type app which used a common £20 bluetooth dongle? Oh yeah there is one for the iphone but
it uses a wifi dongle that costs ~£120 and the app is ~£20 as well.
Anyone wanna swap a 3gs iphone for a nexus one? I have an iphone, nice ui, ok for basic web browsing and emai etc (but so are most modern phones).
Do I regret buying it... yes!
To a large extent it is just a big iPod Touch but that is what makes so many UI features possible and usable. Also the speed of the CPU is way better
than the iPhone or iPod which makes web pages render in a fraction of the time. Everything is so much quicker in fact.
As for costs, don't forget that an iPhone usually requires a contract, or you need to pay a premium for a Pay n Go phone. Don't forget to
compare based on similar memory capacities too. There is not much in it when you compare the costs properly. In fact, iPhone 3GS 32GB is £549 and the
iPad 32GB Wifi + 3G is £599 (only £50 difference).
Sorry but I'm not going to compare an iPad with a netbook because there is no comparison. Also, if you have an iPad then you probably have a
"proper" laptop or desktop already - in fact you will need one to sync the iPad with!
In short, the iPad is primarily a consumption device and it is designed to do this better than any of the devices you mention. We
"consume" far more than we "create" so it makes perfect sense to have a device which is focussed on this task. You can also
create stuff on the iPad but that's not its primary purpose.
There are plenty of free iPhone/iPad apps just the same as Android apps, in fact there are more of them. Not sure why we should expect a free lunch
all the time anyway but that's a different debate. I'm happy to spend £1.79 or whatever on an app if it is useful, I don't expect
free stuff all the time. I'm sure there are specific examples of apps which are better on one platform or the other like the one you mentioned
but so what? Most people will be well catered for on either platform.
I'm sorry to hear you regret buying your iPhone 3GS. Why not just sell it on eBay? You will get very high residual value on it and you can then
go and buy your Nexus or whatever. I'd wait until tomorrow's iPhone announcement though because I suspect the new iPhone HD will
re-establish superiority over the copy-cats once again.
[Edited on 6/6/2010 by craig1410]
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hobbsy
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 09:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
Don't forget to compare based on similar memory capacities too. There is not much in it when you compare the costs properly. In fact, iPhone 3GS
32GB is £549 and the iPad 32GB Wifi + 3G is £599 (only £50 difference).
Sorry but I'm not going to compare an iPad with a netbook because there is no comparison. Also, if you have an iPad then you probably have a
"proper" laptop or desktop already - in fact you will need one to sync the iPad with!
[Edited on 6/6/2010 by craig1410]
Yes you're right you've got to make comparisons based on memory capacities. Consider the fact that a 32GB iphone is ~£100 more than a
16GB iphone when most "open" competitors grace you with a microSD slot which means that upgrade would cost ~£20. Cheers for that
Apple.
Oh my battery is a bit worn out, I'll replace it. Back to the manufacturer is it? Nice one.
Its not really the way forward is it. Just a license to print money on the strength of marketing and a n00b friendly UI.
Oh and you buy a £600 web device but you already have to have a "proper" computer to be able to make use of it? Eh? <£200 netbook at
a third of the price that can do everything and more with a higher resolution (but minus a touch screen)
Still an Apple fan?
Gah.
[Edited on 6/6/10 by hobbsy]
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craig1410
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 10:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hobbsy
Yes you're right you've got to make comparisons based on memory capacities. Consider the fact that a 32GB iphone is ~£100 more than a
16GB iphone when most "open" competitors grace you with a microSD slot which means that upgrade would cost ~£20. Cheers for that
Apple.
Oh my battery is a bit worn out, I'll replace it. Back to the manufacturer is it? Nice one.
Its not really the way forward is it. Just a license to print money on the strength of marketing and a n00b friendly UI.
Oh and you buy a £600 web device but you already have to have a "proper" computer to be able to make use of it? Eh? <£200 netbook at
a third of the price that can do everything and more with a higher resolution (but minus a touch screen)
Still an Apple fan?
Gah.
[Edited on 6/6/10 by hobbsy]
This is starting to take an unpleasant turn so this will be my final ping-pong post. I'll restrict myself to answering your comments above,
hopefully without provoking any further ping-pong.
MicroSD is handy in some cases but has limitations. I understand that you can't run applications from the SD card on Android phones for example.
Also, Apple keep pricing structures constant usually for each product revision. 1 year ago the prices were more competitive and it is likely that they
will redress the balance again tomorrow. I see SD cards a bit like bolting on roof boxes and trailers to a car. If I have to do it all the time then I
probably bought too small a car for my needs.
Battery life on my iPhone is still excellent after 2 years of daily usage. If I want to fit a new one then I can buy one on eBay and fit it myself.
Two screws and a connector! Or I can get Apple to do it for £55 at my local retail store. As an aside, I've never bought a replacement battery
for any product whether the battery was removable or not.
Apple's "N00b friendly UI" showed the way for other phone makers and it took them 3 years to catch up. Whether you like Apple or
not, they have changed the phone industry for the better big time.
I didn't buy a £600 web device. It was £499 and you can get a 16GB model for just £429. It is designed to sync with your main computer just like
an iPhone or iPod so yes you need a Mac or Windows PC for that purpose. I don't see why that is a problem. A £200 netbook will not have an IPS
TFT display and will not render web pages anywhere close to the speed of iPad.
Yes I am a fan of Apple's products generally, not quite the same as being "an Apple fan" because for me the focus is the products
not the company.
As I said at the beginning, this is my last ping-pong post although I will be happy to answer any (non-political) questions on the iPad. For now, we
are going to have to agree to disagree. I did warn that this would be divisive in my first post...
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hobbsy
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 10:37 PM |
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No unpleasant turn intended, it's a pretty much
off topic thread so will stop here. I see the appeal of their kit but it doesn't seem like good value at times and some of their policies are
clearly money grabbing. I have kept equipment long enough to need new batteries and £55 is about 5 to 10x what it should cost really. The roof box
analogy really doesn't work in this context when all you're talking about is flash memory storage which is halves in price every year or
so and is taken advantage of by all users (eg digital cameras) except those with fixed non expandable devices with built in obsolence. I'm not
surprised their profits have overtaken microsoft.
I really don't mean to offend but some people don't realise these policies until it's too late.
I just did an engine swap, how's your build
going (last min attempt to stay in context of the forum!)
[Edited on 6/6/10 by hobbsy]
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craig1410
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| posted on 6/6/10 at 11:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hobbsy
No unpleasant turn intended, it's a pretty much
off topic thread so will stop here. I see the appeal of their kit but it doesn't seem like good value at times and some of their policies are
clearly money grabbing. I have kept equipment long enough to need new batteries and £55 is about 5 to 10x what it should cost really. The roof box
analogy really doesn't work in this context when all you're talking about is flash memory storage which is halves in price every year or
so and is taken advantage of by all users (eg digital cameras) except those with fixed non expandable devices with built in obsolence. I'm not
surprised their profits have overtaken microsoft.
I really don't mean to offend but some people don't realise these policies until it's too late.
I just did an engine swap, how's your build
going (last min attempt to stay in context of the forum!)
[Edited on 6/6/10 by hobbsy]
Since the ping-pong has finished (hopefully) I shall reply and rest assured that no offence was taken by me in all of this.
My build is legally on the road and has been since April last year. It has had some cooling issues but nothing that a few louvres and ducts
won't fix. Then hopefully I can get some paint on it. Thinking of cadbury's purple - like the dairy milk metal foil wrapper.
My Meerkat RV8 (that's what it is called) is really fun to drive and grips like the proverbial sh1t to a blanket. It has standard Locost front
suspension and de-dion rear and can fire you out of a corner or roundabout like a huge rubber band.
What I like doing is planting the throttle just a little bit too early and a little too fiercely and letting the tail hang out a bit before correcting
with opposite lock and keeping the throttle planted. I'm not running an LSD so when the opposite lock evens up the weight distribution to both
rear wheels, the result is fantastic traction and neck-snapping exit speed. My 11 year old son usually starts giggling at that point!!
Much more fun than any piece of electronic equipment, even the iPad! I'm sure we can agree on that eh???
Cheers,
Craig.
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eddie99
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| posted on 7/6/10 at 10:31 PM |
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2nd Coolest video: http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video
First being the IPAD version
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morcus
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| posted on 8/6/10 at 01:37 AM |
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I don't really need or want a portabe computor so my opinion of the Ipad is irrelevent, but I do dislike the Iphone mostly because its not a
decent shape to use as a phone.
I currently have about 7 computors in the house, 4 of which a in a usable state of various makes and OS's and I personally think they're
all as bad as each other.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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