Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 09:14 PM |
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Ebay! Mini roller rockers for sale
Don't you just hate it when you bid on something and think you have actually got a bargain and then the seller pulls the goods at the last
minute and send you this sort of mail :
I had no choice, the bid price was below my trade price so I would have made
a loss on every one and still had to pay ebay final value fees. That is far
more important to me than whether you are impressed. If you still want roller rockers make me an offer, pay with paypal and you will receive them on
Wednesday
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robinbastd
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 09:17 PM |
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Out of sheer spite forward that email to Ebay.
It probably wont do any good,but it might make you feel better!
Ian
Only a dead fish swims with the tide.
http://smuttygifts.com/
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JoelP
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 09:20 PM |
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he should have put a reserve on the item if he didnt want to sell it cheap...
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 09:23 PM |
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Looked at his history - he has a number of auction withdrawals listed?? Which is not as easy to recognise as negative posts!
Must save him the reserve price fees
just p**ses off potential customers
He bounced all 5 winning bidders on these items! What a star!
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Alan B
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 09:37 PM |
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Seems like a real scumbag....I'd definitely report him....
Of course people don't want to lose money on stuff....that's what reserves are for (as Joel said)...but to pull stunts like this is
fraudulent IMO
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Cita
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 09:57 PM |
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Ask him when he prefer you to place an offer Rob,before or after you have reported that idiot!
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steve m
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 11:48 PM |
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He was a bit stupid really as he could have just lied about selling them outside of ebay, and got away with it
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Peteff
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 09:27 AM |
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I was on ebay yesterday loking round and saw some Outlaw calipers which had ended at £225 with a £10 delivery charge and not made reserve. Icondevs
have these at £230 on their website so why go through ebay .
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 01:26 PM |
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There is absolutely nothing at all to report him for.
under uk law, you are compelled to buy if you win. the seller IS NOT compelled to sell.
take a look in ebay's help system if you dont agree.....
people dont use resertve price cos you are charged a much higher fee for that facility - so people take the cheap option and pull the auction.
atb
steve
[Edited on 31/5/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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Alan B
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 09:43 PM |
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Legal or not, I still say he's a scumbag...
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 10:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan B
Legal or not, I still say he's a scumbag...
it happened to me once, a co selling digital cameras. I was getting it much lower cost than previous auctions cos he ran it to expire some silly time
late at night.
it got pulled 20 mins from the end.
I knew the rules, so just let it go.
atb
steve
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Alan B
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 10:50 PM |
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As you say Steve if it's allowed there is nothing you can do....
Still doesn't make ethical though...at least with a reserve you KNOW that it may not sell.....
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ned
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| posted on 1/6/04 at 09:47 AM |
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I looked into pulling items before end of auction, I thought you could only do it if there was more than 12 hours remaining in an auction.
must have got that wrong then!
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 1/6/04 at 09:59 AM |
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regardless of pulling it or not, you can refuse to sell.
If your rolex goes for a quid, you can simply say you are not selling it. On the other hand, the bidder is legally obliged to buy the rolex for a quid
if you have accepted his bid
Even in shops, there is a common misconception that an item must be sold at its ticket price. To sell it, thats true. But they can refuse to sell it
to you. I could offer rolex's for a penny each. I dont have to accept your order tho......
atb
steve
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by ned
I looked into pulling items before end of auction, I thought you could only do it if there was more than 12 hours remaining in an auction.
must have got that wrong then!
Ned.
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Spyderman
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| posted on 1/6/04 at 12:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
Even in shops, there is a common misconception that an item must be sold at its ticket price. To sell it, thats true. But they can refuse to sell it
to you. I could offer rolex's for a penny each. I dont have to accept your order tho......
atb
steve
A shop cannot refuse to sell without a good excuse or unless there is a clause list in plain view.
If an item is advertised then they are oblidged to sell it at that price or remove it from sale for a period (can't remember how long).
By refusing your order is an act of misrepresentation and illegal advertising.
The important factor is the clause list! Without one you/they are stuffed.
Can't comment on ebay rules though as I've not examined them.
Terry
Spyderman
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andkilde
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| posted on 1/6/04 at 12:59 PM |
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You'll probably find that the "puller" (whose tactics are designed to save him paying eBay's extra fees for a reserve auction)
is in contravention of eBay's rules somewhere. Problem is eBay is too big to care about the little fish anymore -- complaints, even of outright
fraud, are not dealt with as quickly or harshly as one might hope, caveat emptor and all that...
And Ned, are you trying to tell us that you attempted to deny people the right to frilly knickers at knock-down prices? Shame on you! 
Cheers, Ted
[Edited on 1/6/04 by andkilde]
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adampage
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 posted on 1/6/04 at 01:20 PM |
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Sorry, have to disagree
With Spyderman
In my law studies, it was made very clear that the famous 'Boots Cash Chemists' Case established the law that shop does not make an offer,
it makes an 'invitation to treat'.
No offer, means no way to enforce an acceptance.
In other words, a price ticket in a shop is an invitation to you to make the shopowner an offer of, say 30p for a tin of beans. The shopowner then
has the right to accept or reject your offer.
Therefore, in any shop the owner has clear right to refuse to sell anything to anyone for any reason.
Adam.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 1/6/04 at 01:28 PM |
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Im agreeing with Adam...
my understanding is that there has to be a 'contract' ie offer and acceptance - before its valid.
For example - please mr jeweller, I want one of those watches in the window for sale at 1 quid. No sonny, go away.
Seller is perfectly able to refuse, just as a barman can refuse to sell you a pint.
Please mr jeweller, id like one of those watches for a quid. Ok sonny, here's your receipt. oh shyte - mistake - its a quid on the reciept - im
not selling it to you.
too late, offer and acceptance. Must sell at that price.
So, put another way, if you see summat for sale on a web site, and you place an order, its normal, and required by law, to get an acknowlegment - ie
receipt - back. Its the price on the receipt that counts.
Its ages since I did this stuff, but I think in law an offer for sale is called 'an invitation to treat'. Its not binding. Once you have
'offer and acceptance' it is.
YOU CANNOT demand an object at the ticket price if its priced wrongly, the seller can simply refuse to sell.
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by Spyderman
quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
Even in shops, there is a common misconception that an item must be sold at its ticket price. To sell it, thats true. But they can refuse to sell it
to you. I could offer rolex's for a penny each. I dont have to accept your order tho......
atb
steve
A shop cannot refuse to sell without a good excuse or unless there is a clause list in plain view.
If an item is advertised then they are oblidged to sell it at that price or remove it from sale for a period (can't remember how long).
By refusing your order is an act of misrepresentation and illegal advertising.
The important factor is the clause list! Without one you/they are stuffed.
Can't comment on ebay rules though as I've not examined them.
Terry
[Edited on 1/6/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 1/6/04 at 01:33 PM |
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Well, I reported him for offering to sell me the item privately by e-mail after pulling the auction - apparently EBAY see that as a violation of their
rules.
I am 99% confident that it has now disappeared down a long black hole 
I must be getting old, what happened to good old honest trading.
I wonder if all the other bidders were p**sed off & complained?
He advertised 5 of these roller rocker sets and all the bids were over £100 ea.
He then pulled all 5 ads.
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 10:30 AM |
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Well, there's a surprise - for sale yet another time? I wonder if he will pull them at the lat minute if the bids don't go up?
only at fifty plus quid at the moment - they got to £140 last time he pulled them at the last minute!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43122&item=2481503488&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 12:24 PM |
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usual auction rules include the line 'the seller agrees to sell and the buyer agrees to buy at the agreed sale price'. this is included in
both car and house auction terms and conditions as far as i know.
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 12:40 PM |
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just found this:
quote:
5.3 Binding Bids. A seller who receives at least one bid at or above the stated minimum bid price (or in the case of reserve auctions, at or above the
reserve price) must complete the transaction with the highest bidder on completion of the listing, unless: (a) the item is listed in a category under
our Non-Binding Bid Policy; (b) the buyer fails to meet the conditions of the seller's listing (such as payment method); or (c) the seller
cannot authenticate the buyer's identity.
source:
http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/community/png-user.html
ebay seem to imply that it is binding. not sure what the consequences are of breaking these rules, except negative feedback. any thoughts anyone? are
the rules not binding?
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Peteff
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 01:25 PM |
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This setup retails for £300 in Mini Spares Centre but they are in short supply!
http://tinyurl.com/yu84x
These do them in 3 different lifts 1.3, 1.5 and 1.7:1. for £136.13. Even plus vat its cheaper than his.I used to get stuff from them years ago when I
had minis, very reputable firm. The ebay seller is obviously a liar and a vagabond and should be thrown in the stocks.
Ebay getout clause We are not responsible for ensuring that buyers and sellers actually complete a transaction
[Edited on 8/6/04 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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robinbastd
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 10:27 PM |
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Shall we email him some tedious questions???????
Ian
Only a dead fish swims with the tide.
http://smuttygifts.com/
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