nicklondon
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 06:36 AM |
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Are the Isle of Man TT races to dangerous
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 06:49 AM |
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Well it's always up to the racers... if they felt it was too dangerous, they wouldn't do it
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Mk-Ninja
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 06:57 AM |
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Bike racing is a dangerous sport and the TT must rate as one of the most dangerous circuits, but most riders are willing to take risks. Some wouldnt
do the TT, Barry Sheene being the most famous.
I'm sure I've got one, just don't know where I've put it
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mackie
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 08:24 AM |
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Fair play to him really, I know I'd rather slide on my arse over grass than hit a dry stone wall with my face.
It's amazing what they do though, it's amazing they can even get on those bikes considering how big their balls must be 
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Terrapin_racing
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 08:28 AM |
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Too right its too dangerous! - why do you think it attracts so may fans?
It's sad to think (but truly factual) that the majority of us actually find the spills n thrills the best part of racing (bikes & cars)
. I have some early films of brooklands when bodies were scraped up, moved to one side and on with the racing. I'm also finding myself moving
from watching F1 to super bike racing (what a show at the weekend). It must be animal instinct
Just a shame that there are casualties.
We are so safety conscious these days - look at Buttons 180mph walk away crash - unbelievable a few years ago.
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 08:41 AM |
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street circuits just arent safe. monaco f1 gp should be scrapped, its boring anyway (on that basis the whole f1 calendar might disappear though!).
Plus the TT should have a safety review, at the minimum remove the damn lampposts!
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 08:57 AM |
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ive been to the TT,its not just the racing,its the campfires,the larfs and the in-edible meat pies that are tha main attraction
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Mk-Ninja
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 09:13 AM |
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The odd beer as well John from what I remember
I'm sure I've got one, just don't know where I've put it
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spunky
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 09:33 AM |
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Mackie you are dead right.
The TT is the most dangerous race ever. I don't have dates and figures to hand, but IIRC there has only been one year without fatalities since
it's inception 100 odd years ago.
The real travesty is the pitance that is awarded in prize money, and it doesn't even guarentee a world or even british championship ride. (Used
to in the 80'S)
The riders are true heros.
I was there when Foggy broke the lap record in record in '91 and he vowed never to race on the Island again after his bike fell apart on the
final lap.
Most definately too dangerous and one of the greatest racing events you'll ever see.
Go to the Island before they ban it.
John
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philgregson
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 09:44 AM |
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Since the TT was taken off the Grand Prix circuit many years ago no rider is compeled to ride there.
Having known a TT rider and his family I can only repeat his view:
He loved the island and the TT and he always used to say that he would keep doing it even if it meant him comming home in a box - He came home in a
box and his family still support the event - they are there this year.
Surely that is a choice that an individual is entitled to make. he and many others new that there were ways it could be made safer and made thier
views known but they still raced. It is not up to the rest of us to dictate to others what risks they can and can't take.
I do of course make a distinction here between a professional experienced rider who takes a calculated risk as opposed to the general punters doing
stupid things because they don't know any better.
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andyps
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 12:17 PM |
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Of course it is too dangerous - if that is what you think. My view is that anyone taking part knows the risks, but what the hell, life is a big risk
so best to enjoy it.
There is too much that we aren't allowed (or supposed) to do because it is dangerous, but surely if it doesn't harm anyone else and we
want to do it it should be allowed.
Personally, I wouldn't trust myself on a powerful bike because of the risk, but given the opportunity to drive flat around the TT cicuit in a
road car I would go for it.
Andy
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 03:49 PM |
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on my way to work I go thro a place called stoke goldington in bucks
A guy hit a dry wall there in a 30 zone (prob not doing 30 tho) and totalled himself just 2 weeks ago. The car option may not be much safer!
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Mk-Ninja
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 04:18 PM |
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I bet they get more fatalities from private cars and bikes in the two weeks than they do from the competitors, its just what hits the headlines.
I'm sure I've got one, just don't know where I've put it
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nicklondon
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 05:14 PM |
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there where 12 serious accidents this sunday one of them was a friend of my mums.I can understand the thrill the place where else can you ride or
driver over the same roads as the pros,but at what cost?
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Alan B
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 05:16 PM |
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Guys, did anyone get killed this year?
It's not well covered over here...
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andyps
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 05:46 PM |
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I think there were two people killed this year.
I know a car isn't safe, but there is that psychological feeling of being in something protective.
I was Marshalling at Harewood Hillclimb on Sunday and we had bikes and sidecar combinations there along with the usual cars. Many of the bikes
weren't that impressive (probably not ideal for them) but the sidecar people are absolute nutters - especially the pillion Looks far too
dangerous to me. We breathed a sigh of relief each time a bike successfully passed our corner.
Andy
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DavidM
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 09:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
ive been to the TT,its not just the racing,its the campfires,the larfs and the in-edible meat pies that are tha main attraction
They should put them all on Honda 90's. Safer and an even greater larf.
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craig1410
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 10:56 PM |
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Speaking of road cars, have any of you seen the "TT Challenge" video made by the late Tony Pond? That still ranks as the most amazing
piece of fast road driving I have every seen, it is truly mesmerising!!
You can get a copy on Amazon for just £6.99 here
Well worth having in your collection!!
Cheers,
Craig.
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nicklondon
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 06:07 AM |
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i'm an ex marshal and remember watching f1 side cars (i think) and the passengers had knee sliders attached to their bums !!!
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mackie
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 09:32 AM |
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I've heard about the Tony Pond record. He did it in a Rover 800!!
I think I'll order that DVD to add to my collection
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spunky
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 10:37 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nicklondon
i'm an ex marshal and remember watching f1 side cars (i think) and the passengers had knee sliders attached to their bums !!!
I was supposed to be in the chair of an F1 outfit in the national championship this season, having been laid off work with a knackered back for four
months I didn't think it a wise move, so had to decline the ride.
Funny to read the comments on rather being in a car, I've never thought that. Sure less likely to be seriously hurt in a car but I always feel
less likely to be involved in an accident when I'm on my bike. I guess your concentration kicks up a couple of gears because you're so
vulnerable.
John
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Jasper
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 04:32 PM |
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I've watched most of the real life series about the emergency team at an East London hospital, and also every week they is some guy in leathers
sprawled across the road with blood ozzing out of him. And ever single time it's because a car pulled out in front of him. Doesn't matter
how safe you ride them - they're bloody dangerous.
I used to ride a bike (and in London), but when I got married ( and after a few people I knew got hurt/killed) I sold it. Thats' why I got into
building the locost - bit of a speed thrill but much safer. I think bikes are like fags and beer - if they just invented them now they never be
allowed 
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nicklondon
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 05:25 PM |
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the number of killed this year is 6 
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spunky
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 05:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
I've watched most of the real life series about the emergency team at an East London hospital, and also every week they is some guy in leathers
sprawled across the road with blood ozzing out of him. And ever single time it's because a car pulled out in front of him. Doesn't matter
how safe you ride them - they're bloody dangerous....
WHAT UTTER BOLLOCKS...
Can you explain to me how its the bike that is dangerous when the accident is caused by a wanker in a car pulling out on them....
My take on that scenario is its the car and the twat driving it that should be banned.
John
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 06:21 PM |
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I agree with spunky
Bikes are not dangerous, its only when the rider is travelling at 70mph and is no longer as close to the bike as he would like, that things become
dangerous.
What ever the blame in a situation, the biker almost always comes off a close second
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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