James
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 08:08 AM |
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2nd jobs... who's got one?
Heya,
Was speaking to a couple of people I met this weekend who revealed they have a 2nd job (often something unrelated to their main job) and recently
I've realised there's loads of people with reasonable jobs during the week and a 2nd job evening or weekends.
OTher examples are my Brother-in-law who is a full-time gardener on a pretty good wage who works at Focus at weekends. And a mate who's a diesel
fitter but drives a van and delivers the papers to newsagents Friday and Sat nights!
All these people and others I've talked to seem to have a perfectly reasonable (and ok paid) normal job but obviously don't have an all
consuming kit car hobby taking up their time!
I've never heard any figures in the media of how many people have 2nd jobs. But would be intterested to know how many have them.
I've considered it in the past, but with training 3 or 4 or 5 times a week for Savate I just wouldnt have time (and need the rest!  ).
Clearly people have a right to do what they want with their spare time so if the work's there then all power to them.
But the deeply buried socialist in me did briefly think that with a potentially impending employment problem, if you have a perfectly liveable salary
off your main job, then sharing these 2nd jobs out amongst the unemployed could be good for everyone!
Just some random thoughts while I put off doing things I should be doing!
Cheers,
James
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fesycresy
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 08:53 AM |
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Sharing around the 2nd jobs?
Well, I had a nightmare just getting a labourers mate (on the books - full time) around here, it really brought home to me home how many actually
wanted to work.
Like you I spend most evening at gyms (both kids into MMA and TKD), even asking around there I had trouble finding someone.
Maybe I was unlucky but my viewpoint on unskilled / semi skilled unemployment may have changed recently!
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nick205
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 08:56 AM |
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Probably more people than you think - as you've sort of noticed. I did evening bar work for many years before I had kids and built a kit car.
It was a way of being in the pub, but having money fow into my pocket rather than out and I quite enjoyed the banter.
Possibly more interesting/important is how many of those with a 2nd job are dependent on that extra income to meet their core living expenses - i.e.
are people working the 2nd job to survive of for pocket money?
There's also overtime working. We've always offered overtime to our hourly paid staff and a regular core of them have always taken it.
The problem occurs when you have to withdraw overtime working (as we've had to over the past 2 years (as well as reducing normal working
hours)). It then becomes very clear that people treat regular overtime as part of their normal income and not as an extra (human nature and hard to
avoid). Then it really hurts them when it's taken away.
I'm always amazed as well by the number of people/households that have some form of additional income stream or capital - usually from family
money or wealth. I have a couple of friends my age (late 30s) who are mortgage free due to inheritance at a very young age. One in particular earns
approx. half my salary yet lives in a house worth close to £1m. A clear demonstration of the difference between wealth and income!
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James
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 09:00 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fesycresy
Sharing around the 2nd jobs?
Haha, that wasn't really the main point of my post. I only mentioned it as there's a lot of talk on radio 4 at the moment of unemployment
(or coming unemployement with the cuts etc. etc.) and I just wondered how the numbers of unemployed (and unable to find work!) numbers compare with
those numbers of people with 2 jobs.
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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James
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 09:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fesycresy
Well, I had a nightmare just getting a labourers mate (on the books - full time) around here, it really brought home to me home how many actually
wanted to work.
Like you I spend most evening at gyms (both kids into MMA and TKD), even asking around there I had trouble finding someone.
Maybe I was unlucky but my viewpoint on unskilled / semi skilled unemployment may have changed recently!
That's not the first time I've heard people saying they have work to offer but can't find anyone. Again, on radio4 I've heard
numerous business people saying they can't get staff.
I know a guy who manages a PCWorld. He continually says the biggest reason his sales are lower than they could be is lack of staff.
It's no wonder we have so many economic migrants coming to this country- if there's jobs on offer and no one willing to fill them when the
pay here is so much greater than Eastern Europe. At the same we have a bunch of workshy natives claiming benefit**! 
I'm pretty sure I could make a living on £130-£160 a day doing DIY/Property maintenance type stuff for people around here and I know loads of
friends of my parents desperate to get their houses renovated and can't find anyone!
Cheers,
James
ETA: ** Clearly, I'm not slagging off people here who want a job and can't get one so are claiming. If you are properly looking for work
and can't get one you deserve income support!
[Edited on 25/10/10 by James]
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 10:25 AM |
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I think there must be a North/South divide too. The missus for instance has tons of factory/bakery experience but doesn't drive an we
can't get a job for love nor money. Obviously driving would be a bonus to her but she can't afford such a luxury. Vicious circle really.
Through an agency she's able to pick up odd days but it generally is odd days here and there and tbh it's a loss in money by having to
sign of the dole. So by being willing to work, you lose out on money big time. Systems cocked up. 
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James
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 11:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mistergrumpy
I think there must be a North/South divide too. The missus for instance has tons of factory/bakery experience but doesn't drive an we
can't get a job for love nor money. Obviously driving would be a bonus to her but she can't afford such a luxury. Vicious circle really.
Through an agency she's able to pick up odd days but it generally is odd days here and there and tbh it's a loss in money by having to
sign of the dole. So by being willing to work, you lose out on money big time. Systems cocked up.
Hope this isn't prying... has she signed up with more than one agency?
The thing I've found with most agency work is to be registered with lots of agents so they're all looking for work for you. You have to be
organised to stay on top of chopping and changing between them all but it can work well.
I'm involved with some Field Marketing agencies. I was shocked when I found out how many agencies there are and how many reps are signed up with
loads of them. That way they get lots of work.
I don't mean she should do Field Marketing (would be very hard without a car!!!) but being with lots of agencies is good.
Next time she's contacted for work, if she had a word with her booker (who's probably contracting to several agencies too!) she might be
able to get her name up for work with those other agenices aswell. But hunt them out herself on the web too. There's lots of bakeries, there
must be lots of agencies recruiting for them!
Chasing the agents/bookers is important too! Keeping yourself 'front of mind' so that you're their first call and you get the choice
of work.
I met a field marketing rep (a job anyone can do) getting booked by 5 or 6 agencies, who was a single Mum with 2 school age kids and she said that
without pushing things too hard (she only worked school hours) she was making £18k a year.
My Dad's a contracting electronics engineer. I know in the late 90's his mail out list had 150+ agencies on it and all would get sent his
CV towards the end of each contract.
He's very, very rarely been out of work in the 20years he's been contracting!
Hope that's helpful- probably teaching you to suck eggs! 
Cheers,
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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whitestu
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 11:47 AM |
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There aren't enough hours in the day to do the 1st!
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mads
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 12:11 PM |
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yep - work for the NHS so pay compared to private sector is significantly less. I make up for it by doing agency work on weekends. I make up for the
loss of money between the two sectors but put in an extra 12-18 hours per week.
We gain knowledge faster than we do wisdom!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, thoroughly used, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming... "f*ck, what a trip!"
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interestedparty
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 12:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
I know a guy who manages a PCWorld. He continually says the biggest reason his sales are lower than they could be is lack of staff.
Not really on topic, but another reason they lose sales is the way their own firm undercuts their prices on internet sales, my local PCW admitted they
couldn't get within a £100 of the computer I ended up buying on-line from them.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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coozer
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 02:03 PM |
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My main job is quality engineering for the oems then I drive hgv's as an extra job.
In fact, I use this method to pick and choose my engineering jobs, so, if I don't like a particular company (like the last one I worked for) I
can jack it in and use the trucks to pay the bills.
So, atm its just the trucks, driving nights to get the papers from the print to the distribution centre.
Last week had a nice trunking job dragging a full trailer down the docks at Hull, dumping it there and dragging another full one back. Was going real
nice until the company started adding 'extra' deliveries on when I got back. That's where it all went a bit funny and I told them to
f*$! off!
I'm just waiting for news of vacancy at Nissan for an engineer and that might scale back the truck driving again...
There again, if I could get on the tankers I wouldn't bother with anything else every again
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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marcjagman
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 03:03 PM |
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There are so many out of work people that want to work I don't think people should be allowed to have a 2nd job, share them round so everyone
has a chance.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 05:04 PM |
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Used to have 2 jobs, day job mon-fri 8-4 then straight to other job (get changed there) and carried on til gone midnight... Then I got a life! Now
I'm just working 16 hour shifts, so I think something went wrong there but hey, when I can get onto the tankers (Shell's down the road
from me ) I won't have to worry about anything
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