bigbravedave
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 12:12 PM |
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Way way OT integrated appliances vs non
After moving into a house with swmbo last year, said swimbo has since developed eczema on her hands, amongst the worst side effects from this, she is
unable to do the washing up. Even gloved up to the elbows the temperature sets it off and it's bad enough as it is. So we need to get a
dishwasher as the novelty of washing up has long since worn off.
If I move a sink 4" it frees up a cupboard next to the washing machine (non integrated) for a dishwasher.
So my question is, is it worth puting an integrated dishwasher next to a standard non-integrated washing machine, are there pro's and cons to
this. would it be more straight forward to go for a non -integrated dish washer and sit it next to the non-integrated washing machine.
the other option was to put an integrated slim line dishwasher in the space which wouldn't require moving the sink over for clearance, but this
seems like a bodge.
Having not touched kitchen fitting before, are there any issues In the above ideas?
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RichardK
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 12:27 PM |
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I wouldnt have said using the slim version was a bodge if its capacity is big enough for all your dishes, although thinking ahead you may need a
bigger one to get cylinder heads in and stuff when the missus is out.
Cheers
Rich
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mookaloid
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 12:37 PM |
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will moving the sink mean a new worktop? if so I would definitely consider the built in slim option. I prefer built in my self but the appliances tend
to be more expensive.
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 12:42 PM |
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check the prices on itegrated stuff. usually much greater than normal white goods, and less choice.
I would always go stand alone for that very reason.
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RichardK
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 01:21 PM |
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Just re read and notice you've a bike engine so the slim type will be fine 
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bigbravedave
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 01:28 PM |
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Cheers for the suggestions,
Im just can't make my mind up, the kitchen is 18 years old but in suprisingly good knick, A slim-line would do as an interim fix, and not
require moving the sink (which would require a new work top.
then maybe gut the kitchen and start over in 3/4 years time.
on the other hand since the carcus's are good and I went full size appliance with moved sink and new worktop then in a few years I could change
doors and I've got a new looking kitchen, hmmm dilema
are there any issues putting an integrated appliance next to a non integrated one?
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RichardK
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 01:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bigbravedave
Cheers for the suggestions,
are there any issues putting an integrated appliance next to a non integrated one?
Not any that I can think of..
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MikeR
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 01:39 PM |
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should be no issues with integrated vs non integrated and next to each other.
I've just renewed the doors in my kitchen - suddenly it looks like new so its worth doing if you want to keep the other half happy.
I always go for non integrated, much easier to deal with as you can just remove them and replace. I used to have a slim line dish washer ... it
doesn't hold much and if you did a proper meal would take two loads to wash up due to pans taking up so much space. I've now got a full
size one and sometimes struggle doing sunday dinner again due to pans.
What washing up liquid do you use? There are special 'sensitive' liquids. My mum uses something like surecare (just in case its a ruse to
get out of doing the washing up / get a new kitchen).
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britishtrident
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 03:26 PM |
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Better going for a full size machine.
Dishwasher are pretty simple appliances so it isn't worth paying top dollar for one.
We had a Bosch until it just wore out after 12+ years of heavy use, the replacement was a much cheaper Hoover which is now 8 years old old and looks
like it will last at least as long as the Bosch.
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02GF74
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 03:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bigbravedave
After moving into a house with swmbo last year, said swimbo has since developed eczema on her hands, amongst the worst side effects from this, she is
unable to do the washing up.
Christ almighty man, there is two of you. You got a pair of hands so any reason why you cannot do the dishes?
That is the locost solution.
Think of all the penguins you save as well.
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nick205
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 03:49 PM |
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From experience, having fitted a slimline integrated dishwasher, I'd 100% go for a stand-alone full size one. Even for 2 people a slimline is a
false economy as you have to run it more often and you can get larger items (pots pans etc) in it very well. If there's likely to be more of
you (kids) then you really really need a full size unit.
Built in appliances might look better to stat with, but invariably they're a pain to fit and get properly lined up with the adjacent units and
more often than not the extra weight of a cupboard dorr hanging off the actual door means the hinges/catches fail prematurely.
Full size, stand-alone every time for me!
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twybrow
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 04:20 PM |
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I disagree with the above. We have a stand alone slim line, and it runs once a day every day. If there are just 2 of you then you may not fill a full
dishwasher, and then it all dries onto the dishes meaning it wont clean properly.... The mrs is a very keen baker, and we run just about everything in
the slim line. The biggest downside is if you sell your house, and it is a 'family house' then they might not like a slim line....
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ReMan
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 04:44 PM |
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Anything to get out of washing up eh 
Likewise, for just 2 i'd go with the slimline
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StevieB
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 05:29 PM |
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I have the same consideration to make myself soon.
My conclusion is that I will go with built in as I have a very small kitchen (only 3 base units). If I have a standalone dishwasher, washer, cooker
and fridge (as I do at the moment) it looks like too much of a mish mash of units.
When I change the kitchen (soon), an intergated dishwasher and fridge/freezer will make it all look that bit neater.
If you're planning a house move any time soon though, go for a stand alone as you can take it with you.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 05:32 PM |
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how many persons live in the house any more than two it is i very tight squeeze in a slimline....
Oh and go free standing with the unit ...that way you wont have to sell your locost to replace the dam things when they go t*T5 up
[Edited on 25-10-10 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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JoelP
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| posted on 25/10/10 at 05:40 PM |
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Slimline washer is 450mm wide. If there is a freestanding appliance beside it you will also need a 15 or 18mm panel down the visible side, as the
appliance doesnt have a presentable side itself. Ive always though them to be a decent size for 2 - afterall, anything that doesnt fit one day can be
soaked and put in in the morning. Would normally suffice IMHO.
One thing to bear in mind with an integrateddishwasher in any width, is that there is very little room behind it - 20mm at max usually. This assuming
your current carcases are 570mm deep. You might want to check before ordering one that there is nothing excessive behind the carcase you plan on
removing - which i would guess will be 500 wide, since not many 450 doors get fitted without reason.
The only appliance i wouldnt have integrated is a washing machine, they are too violent IMHO to sit and behave behind a door.
[Edited on 25/10/10 by JoelP]
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