02GF74
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 01:20 PM |
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help solve an argment 2
ok, my friend read something in the papers this weekend about the underground. Converation went like this:
F: 10 billion people use the London underground every day.
Me: B****cks; there are about 50 million people in UK, there is no way every person uses the LU every day.
F: Ok, may it is 10 billion journeys are made on the London underground every day.
Me: You know that's not true; there are about 20 million people in London so each person would need to make 5,000 journeys per day.
(Even if it were underground stops, it still would not add up.)
So it more or less ended there; only thing she is certain of is the 10 billion figure and Llondon Underground. Anyone else happen to read the article
and know what the atual statistic was?
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HowardB
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 01:24 PM |
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how about passenger miles a year?
I love a good argument,...
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again  and goes zoom)
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Humbug
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 01:26 PM |
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miles travelled on the Underground since the first line was opened (1863?)?
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kendo
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 01:29 PM |
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Hi,
Here are some "facts and figures" from the London Underground website.
Facts and figures
Number of miles/km travelled by each Tube train each year: 76,800 miles/123,600km
Total number of passengers carried each year: 1,065 million
Number of individual passengers carried on the Tube each year: 28 million
Average train speed: 33km per hour/20.5mph
Length of network: 402km/249 miles
Proportion of the network that is in tunnels: 45 per cent
Longest continuous tunnel: East Finchley to Morden (via Bank) - 27.8km/17.25 miles
Total number of escalators: 422
Station with most escalators: Waterloo - 23 plus two passenger conveyors
Longest escalator: Angel - 60m/197ft, with a vertical rise of 27.5m/90ft
Shortest escalator: Stratford, with a vertical rise of 4.1m
Total number of lifts: 141
Deepest lift shaft: Hampstead - 55.2m/181ft
Shortest lift shaft: King's Cross - 2.3m/7.5ft
Vertical lifting platforms highest rise: Walthamstow 1.98m/6.5ft
Vertical lifting platforms shortest: Hainault 0.64m/2.1ft
Carriages in London Underground's (LU's) fleet: 4078
Total number of stations served: 260
Total number of stations managed: 260
Total number of staff: 19,000 approx
Stations with the most platforms: Baker Street - 10. Moorgate has 10 platforms but only six are used by LU (two are used by First Capital Connect and
two were formerly used by Thameslink services)
Busiest stations: During the three-hour morning peak, London's busiest Tube station is Waterloo, with 49,000 people entering. The busiest
station in terms of passengers each year is Victoria with 77 million
The Underground name first appeared on stations in 1908
London Underground has been known as the Tube since 1890, when the first deep-level electric railway line was opened
The Tube's world-famous logo, 'the roundel' (a red circle crossed by a horizontal blue bar), first appeared in 1908
Hope that helps.
[Edited on 11/4/11 by kendo]
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jossey
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 01:31 PM |
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60 million in UK.
and i guess its 10 billion a year.
287 stations.
the 10 billion is passangers in a year.
27,397,000 per day
london population 7,762,570
source http://www.trueknowledge.com/q/population_of_london_2011
15 million visitors per year from abroad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_London
seems to make ok sense that it would be per year.....
Thanks
David Johnson
Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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kendo
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 01:31 PM |
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So, 28 million passengers a year.
Thats about 76,000 a day.
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 01:32 PM |
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i searched for london underground 10 billion, and all i found was '£10 billion down the tube' maybe she missed the £? lol, and that the
first line said gordon pisses £10 billion down the tube...
show her this
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/modesoftransport/londonunderground/1608.aspx
"Total number of passengers carried each year: 1,065 million"
[Edited on 11/4/11 by blakep82]
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Daddylonglegs
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 01:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
....I love a good argument,...
No you don't 
It looks like the Midget is winning at the moment......
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nick205
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 02:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
....I love a good argument,...
No you don't
Yes he does!
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Humbug
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 02:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nick205
quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
....I love a good argument,...
No you don't
Yes he does!
Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?
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HowardB
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 03:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
quote:
Originally posted by nick205
quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
....I love a good argument,...
No you don't
Yes he does!
Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?
I paid for an argument, and all I got was this cheap contradiction,... keep it up still lots of life left in this joke,...
:-)
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again and goes zoom)
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r1_pete
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 03:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
quote:
Originally posted by nick205
quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
....I love a good argument,...
No you don't
Yes he does!
Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?
I paid for an argument, and all I got was this cheap contradiction,... keep it up still lots of life left in this joke,...
:-)
But I may be arguing in my spare time.......
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mcerd1
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 03:17 PM |
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quote:
Total number of passengers carried each year: 1,065 million
Number of individual passengers carried on the Tube each year: 28 million
so 28 million use the tube, but only 38.04 times a year each - some right lazzy sods down there then
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" 
[Edited on 11/4/2011 by mcerd1]
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 04:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
[
I paid for an argument, and all I got was this cheap contradiction,... keep it up still lots of life left in this joke,...
:-)
No there isnt. Really, there isnt.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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designer
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 04:08 PM |
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Those figures quoted are probably the number of journeys, that's what PR figures do.
Somebody going to work does at least two journeys, so the figure is halved immediately. Then some do four journeys so the figure is reduced again.,
and so on!!
It's like 20 million watch Coronation street. It's on five times a week, the same people watching it five times reduces the viewing figure
to 4 in real terms.
Many years ago a 'platinum' album sold a million copies; now it's 30,000. But they still call them 'million' selling
artists.
A Billion WAS a million times a million, now it's a lowly 10 of em!!
That's today's nutsack about figures.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 04:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
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I paid for an argument, and all I got was this cheap contradiction,... keep it up still lots of life left in this joke,...
:-)
No there isnt. Really, there isnt.
I'm sorry, is this the RIGHT room for an arguement?
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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iank
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 04:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
Those figures quoted are probably the number of journeys, that's what PR figures do.
Somebody going to work does at least two journeys, so the figure is halved immediately. Then some do four journeys so the figure is reduced again.,
and so on!!
It's like 20 million watch Coronation street. It's on five times a week, the same people watching it five times reduces the viewing figure
to 4 in real terms.
Many years ago a 'platinum' album sold a million copies; now it's 30,000. But they still call them 'million' selling
artists.
A Billion WAS a million times a million, now it's a lowly 10 of em!!
That's today's nutsack about figures.
UK Billion is a million million.
US Billion is a thousand million.
Just most people now use American Billions.
Don't know anywhere with a billion being 10 million.
The nutsack about TV viewing figures and single sales is pretty close to correct though 
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 07:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
quote:
Originally posted by designer
Those figures quoted are probably the number of journeys, that's what PR figures do.
Somebody going to work does at least two journeys, so the figure is halved immediately. Then some do four journeys so the figure is reduced again.,
and so on!!
It's like 20 million watch Coronation street. It's on five times a week, the same people watching it five times reduces the viewing figure
to 4 in real terms.
Many years ago a 'platinum' album sold a million copies; now it's 30,000. But they still call them 'million' selling
artists.
A Billion WAS a million times a million, now it's a lowly 10 of em!!
That's today's nutsack about figures.
UK Billion is a million million.
US Billion is a thousand million.
Just most people now use American Billions.
Don't know anywhere with a billion being 10 million.
The nutsack about TV viewing figures and single sales is pretty close to correct though
And don't you just love it when someone mentions billion and you say "Is that a British Billion or an American Billion"
Watch their face when they try to figure out if there's a difference of you're just being a jerk
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 08:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
"Is that a British Billion or an American Billion"
especially if they have just asked 'what is the air speed velocity of an unladen billion?'
yes, i did just edit that
[Edited on 11/4/11 by JoelP]
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 11/4/11 at 08:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
"Is that a British Billion or an American Billion"
especially if they have just asked 'what is the air speed velocity of an unladen billion?'
yes, i did just edit that
[Edited on 11/4/11 by JoelP]
British Billions are non-migratory.
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02GF74
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| posted on 12/4/11 at 12:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
"Is that a British Billion or an American Billion"
especially if they have just asked 'what is the air speed velocity of an unladen billion?'
yes, i did just edit that
[Edited on 11/4/11 by JoelP]
British Billions are non-migratory.
best not mention a milliard then.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 12/4/11 at 05:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
"Is that a British Billion or an American Billion"
especially if they have just asked 'what is the air speed velocity of an unladen billion?'
yes, i did just edit that
[Edited on 11/4/11 by JoelP]
British Billions are non-migratory.
best not mention a milliard then.
Is that a million for stupid people?
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