eznfrank
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 12:01 PM |
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Thieving little scrotes - security advice required
Some thieving little scumbag had a good rifle through the car last night and nicked the satnav, I think one of us must have left the door open so
hands up there but still not good. Daft little twat left my Oakleys on the passenger seat though!!
Where the car is parked is on a sort of private road but we do get a fair bit of through traffic as people use it as a short cut. I want to put a
locked gate down the side of the house but I need to allow easy-ish access to the neighbours whilst being able to lock/unlock it from both sides - I
thought about maybe a keypad thing but they're quite expensive. Most of the options I've seen have the ability to unlock it without a key
from the inside which would be no good - any suggestions welcomed.
Thanks
Ez
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marcjagman
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 12:24 PM |
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A big dog on a very long chain.
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T66
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 12:26 PM |
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Not throwing water on your fire, a gate is a bit after the horse has bolted. If the gate covers a well used driveway, its only any use if its
shut/locked and too high to get over or around.
Like most gates on drives, they tend to stay locked open for ease of access, you will soon lose interest in locking/unlocking in the rain, and leave
it open.
Its easier not to leave theft worthy goodies on show in your car, they tend not to screw a car just for a random rummage, its more likely there is
something they have seen to tempt them in there. They are predictable spotty turds imho, so leave your glasses on your head and take your gps in the
house , when your not using it.
I bollick my wife for leaving her sunglasses on display when the car is parked up, I wont even leave my jacket on the car seat, just incase the spotty
turds think Im stupid enough to leave my wallet in it. Her argument is the jacket is empty, my point is a car window costs £100 to replace.
Save your money and dont leave stuff on view in your car. (is it a tin top, ie not s softop/seven etc ?)
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BigLee
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 12:37 PM |
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I had something similar happen, but as a sunglass rep they took my sample cases. Roughly £20k's worth. Car was locked, though no visible damage.
Police didn't seem surprised when I said it was a Golf. Took my sat-nav too. I was more bothered by the fact someone had been in MY car. Lost
another sat-nav a few years later from not locking the car. Obvious they'd had a good rummage. I now have my spare key by the bed so the last
thing I do at night is check. Leave nothing on show and keep it double locked.
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T66
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 12:42 PM |
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No joke, years ago I dealt with a theft from a car, and it was a rep from a breast implant company.
They stole two cases from his back seat, full of tits.....
Both bags were found in the park nearby, still full of tits. 
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scootz
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 02:04 PM |
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Ooooooh... controversial, Ivan!
The CPTED theory (Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design) suggests that anything which defines a properties boundaries can have a
negative effect on the criminal mindset.
But then again, it could all just be a load of namby-pamby psycho-bollocks!
It's Evolution Baby!
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T66
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 02:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Ooooooh... controversial, Ivan!
The CPTED theory (Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design) suggests that anything which defines a properties boundaries can have a
negative effect on the criminal mindset.
But then again, it could all just be a load of namby-pamby psycho-bollocks!
You know the score, unless the fence is electrified and patrolled by psycho axe wielding maniacs, they will hop over it for a quick rummage.
The only thing a fence or boundary does, is define when exactly your personal space (and property) have been breached, thus allowing you to make a
quicker decision to fill them in......
So yes the theory works, but they are all subject to a phenomenom I call "aversion therapy"
Bit like dogs and cats are, if you hit them with a spade when they come in your garden, they tend to remember where and when they were hit with a
spade, and avoid going there.
Just an opinion of course....
I am probably wrong.
[Edited on 2/5/11 by T66]
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scootz
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 02:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by T66
You know the score, unless the fence is electrified and patrolled by psycho axe wielding maniacs, they will hop over it for a quick rummage...
I do indeed!
I remember years ago we were sent to a report of someone trying to get into a ground-floor window. On-route we were diverted to a report of a man
lying unconscious in the street nearby.
We get there and a now semi-conscious and very well-known to us housebreaker was grumbling about being smacked in the face with a particularly heavy
item by a passer-by. He couldn't (wouldn't) tell us any more about it.
Anyway... he went off in an ambulance with a suspected broken jaw and we went on to the original call - a 10 second walk away!
Went in to speak to the male householder and told him that one of his neighbours had reported that someone was trying to climb into one of his
ground-floor windows. Once in the room in question we saw the open window and beneath it, the 'particularly heavy item' as described by
matey in the ambulance!
Of course, he also didn't know anything about anything!
You can't beat a bit of natural justice!
It's Evolution Baby!
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T66
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 02:31 PM |
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aversion therapy - he will never go back....
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Canada EH!
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 03:11 PM |
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The better half can not understand why I take the satnav off the window and put it in the glove box when the car is parked away from home, sits in a
locked garage with security system at home (I like others on here am a retired police officer).
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eznfrank
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 03:19 PM |
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The gate is only used maybe 3 or 4 times a week by those with a lawful right to use it but the private road and my path make up what people use as a
cut through. I'd quite happily brick it up and deal with the minor inconvenience of having to drag the bins round but the neighbours don't
fancy that idea.
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T66
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 03:48 PM |
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have you considered seeing if the neighbours would go 50% on improving the security ?
if the road is private, any sort of use as a short cut should be discouraged, so a gate might be all thats required.
sadly with crime, its not the physical loss of an item of property thats generally the issue, its the dealing with being a victim of it which can be
tough. My parents neighbour was burgled years ago when I was a kid, and for years after it (even now) my folks still have rituals around gate and door
locking, engrained into them because of it.
I am living in rented at the moment, with a lot of passing trade, so I have those rituals myself, my next home will have reduced trade, and
opportunity for scrotes to "see" what Ive got.
Its more than likely because of your passing trade, you have been caught out as you provided a shiny article which caught their scrote like eyes.
Most crime is opportune, just see how it goes , you know what your area is like and whether its worth spending money on.
My guess is, its a one off and you have been caught out. Your local cop (community type) will be happy to offer some advice on security if you ask.
Failing that u2 me and email me some pictures, Im no expert but Ive seen most things a few times now and might be able to suggest a locost option.
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Angel Acevedo
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 03:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Canada EH!
The better half can not understand why I take the satnav off the window and put it in the glove box when the car is parked away from home, sits in a
locked garage with security system at home (I like others on here am a retired police officer).
This may not be enough on Parking Lots where the scums are picking potential victims, if they see you putting stuff in the glove box, they may be
tempted to break in.
When i get to a Parking Lot and have valuables in the car, i try to get them with me, let´s say a laptop, that way if they see you, they know you have
taken the valuables with you, so you become a lesser value target.
Another deterrent is window film, either tinted or clear, this will make breaking in a little bit more difficult.
In 16 years, the only car that i have a broken window was the one that didn´t have film.
Tinted film helps by making attempts to see what´s in more obvious, so the burglars skip there cars on the Parking Lots.
AA
Beware of what you wish.. for it may come true....
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T66
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 04:17 PM |
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In the Uk - most cars are now stolen with the keys, so they screw your house for your keys, or you leave them in it while going to open your garage
door, or walking to the house with shopping bags etc. So when you go to bed take your car keys upstairs, contrary to popular belief burglars do not
like any sort of compromise while in the act, the last thing they want is the householder stirring and coming for a look or ringing the law.
They also steal older cars as the security is rubbish.
Organised teams will operate at a cash & carry, watch victims fill their vehicle with goodies, then do the vehicle while they go back in for more,
this occassionally happens with private cars but not too often.
Window film is good, as like you say it denies them the chance to see what you have, would you put the empty box from your recently purchased flat
screen TV out in the street for the bin collection ?, I wouldnt but a lot of people dont think about it, and still do.
Bit like asking me if I hang my police shirts on my washing line, or travel to and from work in uniform - the answer is certainly not, as I would be
playing my hand, and compromising my personal security.
When in a busy shopping centre, saturday afternoon full of happy shoppers, there are only two kinds of people aware of what is going on around them,
Police officers and criminals, the rest are shopping.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 04:37 PM |
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If you want a lock that operates from both sides, use a patio door dead-lock as they have a hook not just a straight bolt, thus stops the gates being
opened by simply pushing them open, as would happen with a normal dead-lock.
Tack weld the lock case to a bit of 6mm plate and then bolt this to one of the gates. Same for the keep on the othet gate.
Simple for a Locoster.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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Angel Acevedo
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 04:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by T66
....When in a busy shopping centre, saturday afternoon full of happy shoppers, there are only two kinds of people aware of what is going on around
them, Police officers and criminals, the rest are shopping.
I am not a Cop, does that make me a criminal?
Actually, the key to safety is to think as a criminal....
At least it has worked for me....
Beware of what you wish.. for it may come true....
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T66
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 04:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Angel Acevedo
quote:
Originally posted by T66
....When in a busy shopping centre, saturday afternoon full of happy shoppers, there are only two kinds of people aware of what is going on around
them, Police officers and criminals, the rest are shopping.
I am not a Cop, does that make me a criminal?
Actually, the key to safety is to think as a criminal....
At least it has worked for me....
No it means you think on your feet, so your unlikely to have any problems - ex military guys do it without thinking about it, the general happy
shopper/tourist is too busy shopping or being a tourist to notice chummy dipping a handbag, or discretely following them to a suitable spot.
Your right regarding thinking like a criminal....
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StevieB
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 04:56 PM |
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I did a package with the Army on security and learned a hell of a lot about the different measures that can be taken.
There's two basic kinds of security - overt and covert.
As far as your property goes, a small amount of overt and a lot of overt is the way to go IMHO.
All security really does is slow people down in getting to their objective. The slower and harder it will be to negotiate your measures, the more
likely they are to get caught and they have to way up the risk. If you put loads of fences, gates, locks etc then all you're doing is
advertising that there's something worth having in there.
Denying any opportunist the chance to see something they might have a go at is the best way to go about it I think - if they don't know
it's there they won't take a chance.
As for the road - if it's private get a sign made up that states so, and that trespassing will not be tolerated. That will whittle down all the
innocent parties using a short cut - anyone else who comes through can therefore be treated as having an alterior motive.
CCTV is pretty cheap these days and can be hidden from sight so as not to give off that fresh 'something worth lifting' air. Ultimately,
if the buggers want to take something they will, but at least you can have the evidence to get them a gentle slap on the wrist and release into the
community to do it again 
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bartonp
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 05:35 PM |
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Watch out for the return visit when they reckon you have got your replacement satnav...........
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eznfrank
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 05:51 PM |
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I should probably state that nothing was left on display, and the satnav doesn't mount to the window so there was no visible sign of it from the
outside this was a simple case of me or the missus failing to lock the door and an opportunist trying the handle. I should also probably mention that
I'm an Investigator in a the Financial Crime & Security arena so I'm aware of preventative measures, just unfortunately took the eye
off the ball on this occasion.
It's quite difficult to explain but basically the road I live on and another road nearby join at right angles, but you can cut a big chunk of
the corner off if you walk up my side path and out through our private road. We only use the side path once a week to put the bins out so a big
locked gate would be perfect as it would effectively make it a dead end.
The issue I had was not so much what to do, more how to do it as I want to be able to lock it from both sides but I think I've sorted that now.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 05:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Canada EH!
The better half can not understand why I take the satnav off the window and put it in the glove box when the car is parked away from home, sits in a
locked garage with security system at home (I like others on here am a retired police officer).
The trouble is that, the little scrotes will clock that you have a little round ring on the windscreen and then quite logically assume that you have
done the natural thing and hidden the sat-nav in the car, usually in the glove box which they will look in first, and then any other easily reached
(from the drivers seat) hiding place, before departing from the scene ( break in, search, grab, depart quickly. This process if local behaviour is
anything to go by takes less than a minute ) of their 'crime'. Out of sight is not necessarily out of mind. If you don't want to
have it stolen then take it with you, what ever the valuable, The little scrotes REALLY don't care how much damage they do to your pride and joy
if they 'think' that there is something in your vehicle that they might earn litterally a couple of quid from.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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Peteff
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| posted on 2/5/11 at 06:34 PM |
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I have a gate on the back yard big enough not to see over so the kids used to jump and grab the top to look over. I greased the top and they
don't do it any more A friend of mine across the road left some change in his dash for car parks and such and his side window was smashed.
They got 70p and it cost him £85 to get the damage fixed.
[Edited on 2/5/11 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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