nick205
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Bush - ar5e!
Well it looks like we're all doomed again with a madman at the helm of the good ole US of A.
I'm not sure Kerry would have been better, but a change is usually good IMO.
For those in the US what's the feeling where you are?
Nick
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ned
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 12:55 PM |
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oh no, not again.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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MikeR
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 12:57 PM |
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look on the bright side, with american policy, he can only server a maximum of another 4 years!
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JAG
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 12:58 PM |
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Hhhmm BBC hasn't called it yet.
BBC has Bush:254 Vs Kerry 252 (Electoral College votes, they need 270 to win).
I'm hoping for Kerry but Bush looks most likely 
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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nick205
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 12:58 PM |
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They're dragging it out with the old "every vote counts and every vote will be counted" spiel, but it looks pretty much decided to
me.
Of course a last minute showdown and lengthy re-count with legal action and some serious scandal would be most entertaining though!
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woodster
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 01:11 PM |
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will they never learn ..... another 4 years of madness look out Iran and North Korea
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Alan B
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 01:44 PM |
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Well from someone living here........
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
GO W..
Better the madman you know.......
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nick205
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 01:48 PM |
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There's no certaintity that Kerry would have been any better and it looks like we'll never know.
What we do know is what Bush is like and that we now have another 4 years of the socalled "War on Terror" that is IMO more of an
"Incitment to Terror".
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mackie
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 01:55 PM |
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His domestic record aint very good either, what about the war on unemployment and poverty? I guess he'd rather fight the war on taxes for the
top 10% and personally benefit from both that and the war on iraq. Surely there is some sort of code of ethics involved in being a president. Yes, ok,
that's naiive but still...
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ayoungman
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 02:28 PM |
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does it really matter ?
Its the people in grey suits in the backround that pull the strings. Those people are on the whole unelected and don't change from one president
to the next !
"just like that !"
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 02:49 PM |
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Best recruitment man BIN laden ever could wish for.
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The Shootist
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 posted on 3/11/04 at 03:04 PM |
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Yipee!!!!!
Four More Years!!!!
Four More Years!!!!
Four More Years!!!!
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nick205
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 03:17 PM |
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Shootist,
Can you give us some more views/opinions from the other side?
What's the general feeling in your area?
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nick205
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 03:35 PM |
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Surprise, Surprise the BBC are already talking about a feared rise in oil prices due to the expectation of continued trouble in the middle east.
If we spent as much money on developing our own means of powering ourselves as we do on ensuring we can get the oil from the east we wouldn't
need the oil. I suspect we would then lose interest in fighting with them fairly quickly!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 03:41 PM |
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Can any of our USA members tell me why 'Republican' is spelt 'GOP'?
Puzzled of Suffolk.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 03:47 PM |
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george W bush
I think I know what the W stands for
atb
steve
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ned
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 03:55 PM |
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Wilbert?
beware, I've got yellow skin
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The Shootist
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 posted on 3/11/04 at 04:50 PM |
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Simple...
GOP=Grand Ole Party
The general consensus in my area is that Kerry has no record to speak of, flip-flops on issues, and claims to be "at one with the common
man" while he actually makes 10 times the annual income that Bush does, and pays less than half the tax rate of Bush.
Kerry claims to be "a hunter and gun owner" but has in fact voted for every single piece of gun control legislation, in cluding a ban on
semi auto rifles that would ban the shotgun he posed with in one of his ads.
He acused Bush of failing to properly equip our troops, and of entering the "wrong war at the wrong time", but he voted to authorize the
war, and them voted against the funding to get needed equipment.
Almost everthing he accused Bush of has been dispoved, yet he continued to make those same accusations. Accusations were all Kerry could do during the
campaign because he did not in fact have any thought out plans to fix any of the aledged problems, but assured us he would fix them.
If you access the poling data you will find that most people who voted for Kerry, did not vote FOR Kerry, but in fact voted AGAINST Bush.
I don't expect you guys across the pond to have much knowledge of our nation political system, but it is truely frightening how few of our own
people had any idea what the issues were.
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nick205
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 04:52 PM |
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surely the W stands for WAR!
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nick205
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 04:55 PM |
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Shootist,
An interesting point on people voting against Bush rather than for Kerry.
Are there any other voting options besides Bush, Kerry or abstaining?
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sgraber
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 05:17 PM |
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I was going to keep my mouth shut on the subject, but ar5e it!
We have just sent a message to the world that we are a NATION (of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS) with disagreements certainly, but overall with a vision. The
victory went to G. Bush and a decisive majority in both the House and the Senate for a reason. The American system works and the results at the polls
show that the system works.
When terrorists stop their jihad against the west then we will lay down our arms and the world will coexist peacefully again. The radical muslims are
against everything that the west symbolizes and they won't stop their jihad just because we stop fighting the war. You are just silly to believe
that.
This war was brought to 'US' just as Japan brought it to us in WWII, when incidentally we awoke from a lumbering sleep and saved YOUR
asses and all of western Europe, but you have forgotten THAT...
Well the USA has again been woken from it's lumbering sleep and WE do NOT quit! We are the pillar of freedom and democracy in the world. Bending
to the will of radical muslims will not further the ideals of freedom and democracy. I firmly believe that the problem should be dealt with now and
not later. Because as blind as you might like to stay, the problem of terrorism will not go away until we break it.
This is a divisive issue and I expect that you Libs will all attack me for my opinion. However, I just wanted to say my piece. I firmly believe what I
do and I won't be goaded into any arguments about it.
Graber
BTW - Recently Kerry was asked why his IQ scores and his college entrance examination scores were lower than Bush's. ... Absolutely STUNNED
Kerry. No answer. So please refrain from calling Bush stupid in that sense because he almost certainly has a higher IQ than 95% of the population and
that includes the Bloviating Kerry. source
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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mookaloid
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 05:29 PM |
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Whoa there Steve, say what you think - don't pussy foot around
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Alan B
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 05:30 PM |
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Well said Steve....
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 05:47 PM |
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err, id refrain from pointing out subtleties about WW2 , in the same context as IRAQ
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Jasper
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| posted on 3/11/04 at 05:56 PM |
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It never ceases to amaze me that wherever I have gone in the world everybody you speak to is amazed that the US voted in Bush (and I'm sure will
be equally amazed they voted him back in) - and yet in the US he has such a lot of support. I certainly do not know a single person in the UK that
wanted Bush back in - anybody on this list?
It's Blair's support of Bush and his questionable foreign policies that will be the primary reason that he may loose the next election or
at least the leadership of the party.
Nobody would question the US's anger at 9/11 - but going to war against a country that had no connections with the organisation that caused it
still completely baffles me. All our venerable leader will say in his defence when questioned on the subject (and it's the same answer Bush
gives) is that Saddam was a very nasty man and the world is a better place without him. If this logic is followed I presume that Uganda (and a whole
heap of other African countries), North Korea, Myanmar (Burma) and of coarse lets not forget China (for it's actions in Tibet) are next on the
list?
One day the US will wake up and see that terrorism can never be defeated by aggression - you just breed more terrorists. We tried it with Northern
Ireland, Israel is still trying it with Palestine (though it looks like they are slowly waking up - though not with much help from their Western
supporters). The only way to end terrorism is to remove the need for it and the causes of it.
And before you say it - I'm not a US hater - I have many American friends and business associates and travel there frequently - I think a lot of
the proplem is the way most US TV news portrays events abroad - it always seems very narrow minded.
I'm sure I'll get flamed for my views - but I know they are commonly held here in the UK and amongst more liberal people in the US
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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