ned
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 12:57 PM |
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Race over-equality really pis**g me off.
I am not a racist, I don't care what colour of skin, religion, sexual orientation anyone is but I am getting more and more annoyed at the
hypocracy and stupidity of the country I live in.
To take the most recent event, a school might have to change its name from St. Mary etc to attract more ethnic people. how ridiculous is this!
It's a C of E church for crying out loud!
News article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3985985.stm
Then there's the good old baa baa ethnic sheep problem, this is an old news article, but I've heard of the problem more locally and
recently and it still exists: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/600470.stm
Then there's the issues relating to the police force, far more than I dare to go into, needless to say you can't get into the met unless
you're black(sorry, from an ethnic minority) at the moment. This is an old article again, but is still a curreny problem (I have relatives who
have applied to many forces and the only one he could get an application form for being a white boy is Kent.):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2346717.stm
Lastly, an item that rings close to home, where I work, on the bottom of nearly every job advert (there are a lot here, very frequently as it is a big
univeristy) they have the line:
We particularly welcome applicants from an ethnic minority as they are under-represented within [organisation] at this level
I have no problem with ethnic people working in any area, but surely it's up to them if they want to work for the police or apply for a job at a
university, why are we making such a fuss of promoting the fact that is ultimately affecting other uk nationals/natives getting a job?
I'm sure I've opened a can of worms...
Ned.
[Edited on 8/11/04 by ned]
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Petemate
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 01:07 PM |
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Hi Ned
As a citizen of fairly advancing years (recently achieved the grand old age of 68) I too share your views on all the points mentioned. It's no
wonder people are deserting this country in droves. I get so frustrated at all this PC bull s**t. You know what I mean, safety glasses when playing
conkers, where will it end?
Rant over.
Pete(Oldgit)
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alister667
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 01:14 PM |
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Of course everyone is entitled to thier point of view, however I cant help but think none of those 'positive discrimination' actions would
have been necessary if institutions such as the Metropoliton Police were more diverse in the first place.
IMHO the seperation of religion and education is a VERY good thing. You wanna try growing up in N. Ireland if you think otherwise!
The fair employment agency has been active in NI for decades as it was common practise for folks to get jobs based on who they knew, and often thier
religion, rather than their skills. I can't comment for everyone but I'm glad of it's work.
As I said though, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/alister667/
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dozracing
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 01:41 PM |
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The problem seems to me, that the minorities involved in each of these issues are far more vocal than the mojority and hence get their way.
Someone said to me last week that they believe that eventually there will be a civil war in this country over these issues, because the majority will
stay silent for so long and then burst.
Before we allow this to happen we ought to encourage and support those who support democracy and who will allow us a voice.
The problem here is that you run the risk of being misrepresented and allied to the Nationalists like th BNP. In todays media it would be difficult to
get across your message without it being misrepresented.
I would love to stand up and speak my mind, i'm not in the least racist, sexist, ageist or whatever, but i know i wouldn't be allowed to
put my full point of view across. I fully believe that my point of view is supported by the majority of people in the country, we only want whats fair
and sensible.
Its time as a mass of people with this view to be prepared to speak out and support anyone brave enough to put the point to the country in a sensible
and non biased way. What we wnat is a true democrat and not a modern power made corrupt and perverted politician.
Darren
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 01:51 PM |
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i realised that NI was pretty screwed when those little school girls had to run a gauntlet just to walk to their school.
No one has mentioned asylum seekers. Why is it that they have to cross from Iraq all the way to the uk thro several euro counties before they find a
safe place- ie here.
The clue was my visit to Thailand with work in the summer. I saw people sleeping on the streets, couples under bridges, an old lady with 3 4 year old
kids sleeping on the pavement. depressing stuff. I said to the Thai I was with that you dont see that in the UK. He said that it was because they were
homeless illegal immgrants. I said that doesnt happen in the UK. He asked why. I said it was because the state gives them free money and a place to
live.
Now, I dont want to see people on the streets, but there has to be somethign wrong here.
And as Darren says, this just comes over as racist. However, I had to move 80 miles north of my family in london when I got married so I could get
somewhere to live.
If I was an immigrant, or I had made my GF pregnant without marrying her, I would have got a council flat.
This assumedly would now go to an immigrant.....
We are in a war with Iraq? Just imagine if people left germany in WW2 and asked for asylum in the uk. What would we have done? I think it was called a
prison.
atb
steve
[Edited on 8/11/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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Peteff
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 01:56 PM |
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Grand Poobah says
We're not accepting anyone into the Order who isn't thoroughly British. It's not me it's Lodge policy, sorry. I think the PC
brigade are getting too far up their own backsides to realise that before they pointed these things out noone else actually gave a sh!t. If you are a
criminal do you really care what nationality the policeman is when he arrests you.
Edit. Come to Chesterfield Steve. We have homeless people living on the pavement now because the council put a covered walkway where the warm air
vents blow out of the shopping centre. I don't mind that but it's when they hang round the cashpoints drinking tramp fuel (White lightning
and Special Brew) all day. Most of them seem to be UK residents, by the way.
Disclaimer:- I don't really subscribe to any racist or elitist organisations and do not condone the actions of anyone who does.
[Edited on 8/11/04 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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philgregson
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 01:59 PM |
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I agree with almost all that has been posted so far.
I am not in any way rascist, sexist, homophobic etc., but it seems that there is a growing discrimination against the white middle class male who is
slowly becoming the most disadvantaged in society as he is the only one not allowed to celibrate who he is.
The police force has a black policemans organisation, there are Womens' groups all over the place, Radio 4 has womans hour.
If I were to start a White policemans organisation that would be branded as racist. If people have male membership only clubs they are villified, and
when Radio 4 had an (admittidly crap) program aimed at men - the locker room - feminists everywhere where outraged.
It strikes me though that most of this political correctness isn't brought about by the 'minority' groups themselves but by middle
class do-gooders who have to patronise these groups by defending them on thier behalf.
Oh god I've started again!! - Rant over.
Phil
[Edited on 8/11/04 by philgregson]
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ned
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 02:08 PM |
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don't forget ethnic (I mean black) music, such as the MOBO (music of black origin) awards. also don't forget bbc asian network.
It seems to be ok for an ethnic man to call himself black, but if a white man (or woman) does then he/she instantly becomes racist!
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 02:11 PM |
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remeber that one season crap program on tv
Man O Man
where a girl walks up to a bunch of guys and pushes the ones she doesnt want backwards into a swimming pool.
Just reverse gendas on that one and see the ballistic outcry!
atb
steve
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philgregson
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 02:28 PM |
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quote:
remeber that one season crap program on tv
I am in the extremely fortunate position of not remembering that particular programme.
At last - a positive thought to post.
Phil
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locoboy
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 04:48 PM |
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IIRC the police forces in certain UK cities is by government instruction supposed to represent the community in which it is operating for example in
bradford or other areas of high asian population then the police force is supposed to represent a slice of that community. The problem lies in that
enough Asian paople are not applying for these positions so they have to outwardly recruit from these sectors alone.
The police force has just been refused the option to positively discriminate by way of advertising in heavily Asian populated areas such as mosque
entrances or Asian socialising establishments. They were refused this right by the government, but in the same scentence were told to make sure that
the police force is representative of a cross section of the population it interacts with - cant blame the police for that one
Im a firm believer in the best man for the job policy, if you interview 200 people for the police force and you have 50 vacancies, fill it with the 50
BEST people regardless of age, gender or race. It is the crazy government who are setting the standards here and then not allowing them the means to
meet those targets.......................................
round and round and round and round..etc.etc...
ATB
Locoboy
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Hellfire
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 04:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
don't forget ethnic (I mean black) music, such as the MOBO (music of black origin) awards. also don't forget bbc asian network.
It seems to be ok for an ethnic man to call himself black, but if a white man (or woman) does then he/she instantly becomes racist!
Ned.
Ned regarding your comment I find it highly offensive but very very correct. Having recently watched "White Chicks" it regularly uses the
word "NIGGER".
Right - this is ok when black on black, but this type of thing would never cross my lips. Not only as it is politically incorrect but it is also rude
and uncouth and basically against my better judgment.
I agree with almost entirely the statements made regarding racism etc. I too am not homophobic racist sexist ageist or any else'ist but it too
is 'doiing my napper in'.
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turbo time
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 06:18 PM |
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Just exercise your right to protest, like this guy here:
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 06:45 PM |
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http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.aspx?as=article&f=uk_-_olgbtopnews&t=11881&id=353568&d=20041108&do=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk&i
=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&lc=en&ae=windows-1252
cant even critise murder any more in case it upsets someone
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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mackie
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 06:52 PM |
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A friend of mine works for a feminist organisation and while doing some research discovered that to call someone "asian" is considered
unPC and everyone who isn't white should be refered to as black. Silly.
I think positive discrimination makes race a differentiator, and race shouldn't be that. I think anything that differentiates on race (not
culture - that's different) is wrong. The more they make an issue of it the more of an issue it becomes until someone who never cared what
colour someone was starts questioning themselves and their own actions and starts thinking "that person is black, he is different".
The immigration problem isn't about race. It's about people who may or may not have a right to be here sponging off our state and possibly
depriving people who most certainly do have a right to live here similar amenities.
The basic question must be is positive discrimination (of any kind) good?
Are we a soft touch when it comes to immigration?
Culture is almost a different issue to me. Things like the MOBOs aren't really directly about race but more a cultural development and styles
that happen to be related and born out of a minority. There a rock awards, folk, jazz, etc festivals, all with a particular cultural base. You get
white rappers and r&b singers just like you get black men in rock bands and dwarf (or is that vertically challenged?) wrestling.
I'm much more likely to judge (prejudge?) someone based on what subculture they subscribe to than their racial origin I think. Be it a 23yr old
black man in a 50k bmw down Brixton highstreet or a 19yr old spotty white kid wearing a Kappa tracksuit and hanging around the shops looking shifty.
Everyone prejudges everyone all the time. Cultural differences are the real barriers.
Dunno what my point is really but I just thought I'd brain spew a little. Discuss.
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Noodle
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 08:51 PM |
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Kids at my school don't have 'parents' - it's elitist and divisive.
They have 'folks'. Makes me giggle.
Cheers,
Neil.
Your sort make me sick
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 9/11/04 at 06:29 PM |
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004521125,00.html now thats really upset moi
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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JoelP
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| posted on 9/11/04 at 06:41 PM |
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thats scandilous john. i drove through bradford recently, there were 'happy deepawali' signs up everywhere. I didnt find it remotely
offensive. These f*&kwits need their heads stoving in. Their actions are actually racist/religionist in my opinion, as mentioned up the thread it
is reverse discrimination. a stand need to be made.
next time i see a job advert that specifies anything about minorities or majorities, i will write and complain.
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dozracing
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| posted on 9/11/04 at 07:11 PM |
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I personally want to live in this country with all its current diversity of cultures and races etc. What concerns me is that in the not to distant
future we will be at the stage where we really cannot sensibly support the people who live here.
Now everyone accepts that there is an over population problem here and that the state cannot cope with the current levels of need from the population.
So the answer is to close the doors to everyone of whatever race and sex now. Then sort out the problems and go forward.
The only reason why we cannot and the politicians aren't prepared to come out and say this is the fear of being called racist. In my mind its
got nothing to do with racism just common sense. There is no point any of these people coming if we cannot support them. Simple as that.
Every other country in Europe turns them away but we will not.
This country needs to act, but, it does require every one who shares this view to make a stand and vote this way. Voting for any of the main parties
at the moment will not change this current policy because they are all too scared of the racist angle that the media will portray.
It will require someone clever, who can get the point across in such away as to make it perfectly clear to everyone from every sector of the
community, that its not descrimating and that its just plain sensible.
A lot of our current problems can be controlled if we get a grip on the current population. We have too many old people in relation to working tax
payers, too many on the social, too many immigrants etc..
If we can stop the growth we can stand a chance of reflecting on the current position and making proper provision for everyone who is here.
Enoch Powell said nothing more than this, yet spent his whole political career branded a racist, and we are living now his nightmare vision from 40
years ago. It simply cannot be allowed to continue, for everyones future benefit.
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ned
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| posted on 10/11/04 at 10:06 AM |
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Was thinking about this yesterday, and what this country could do with is a nice plague to trim the population down to size, would help resolve some
of the issues Darren mentions and hopefully sort out the pensions and housing problems for the next few years....
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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timf
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| posted on 10/11/04 at 10:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
what this country could do with is a nice plague to trim the population down to size, would help resolve some of the issues Darren mentions and
hopefully sort out the pensions and housing problems for the next few years....
Ned.
look back through history the cull has happened quite regually due to wars etc. this is the longest period of peace in europe for a long time hence
the population problem.
what we need is a good fight lets say with the french as they have just desecrated a war cemetry to build a rubish dump ffs. also they are french
which is good enough on its own
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indykid
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| posted on 10/11/04 at 11:31 AM |
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if we were to have some plague type thing, like a super flu, it would attack the weak of health first. it would lower population, but would be most
effective among elderly and those sickly types that are a drain on the nhs.
works two fold, redresses population imbalance and takes the pressure, eventually of the nhs (i apreciate they may be busy for a while till the flu
dies down)
tom
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dozracing
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| posted on 10/11/04 at 11:42 AM |
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We could take a leaf out of Kenny Everetts book and "round them all up, put 'em in a field and bomb the bast*rds"...
Or we could take the other leaf from his book and sleep with HIV infected individuals and thus start removing ourselves from being a drain..........
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Noodle
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| posted on 10/11/04 at 02:21 PM |
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Enoch Powell was not a racist. He was a nationalist. Some people cannot understand the difference.
Probably the reason why is that racists hide behind the banner of nationalists.
I listened to an obituary of Powell's on Radio 4 after he died with various black and Asian academics defending Powell.
To disagree with multi-culturalism is not racist. Many countries try and help new settlers to assimilate and integrate and I believe the Home Office
has instigated some sort of scheme to teach immigrants English and a bit of background to British history and society. The U.S. does this and has done
it for a long time. They also have a very strong nationalistic populace and it is not seen as a sign of prejudice.
Anyone who is different to the majority can create resentment, be that on a national level over alien cultures or on a classroom level (Lord of the
Flies).
God I can waffle.
Cheers,
Neil.
Your sort make me sick
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 10/11/04 at 06:29 PM |
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its kicking off in holland now,tins hats on boys
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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