andylancaster3000
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 12:20 PM |
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New 750 MC Formula
The 750 motor club have opened up a new formula called Bike Sports. It finally opens up a class for people to race home designed/built cars rather
then having to buy either a radical or westfireld etc if they want to race a bike engined race car. This formula differs from RGB (road going
bike-engine) by the fact that they don't have to pass an MOTand they can use slicks and rear wings.
This means that extra special BEC locosts can be built with slicks, minus lights and run them much lower... However with few restrictions more money
has to be spent to be remotley competitive, as it also allows the use of Radicals and such like. I also feel that they have set the weight limits too
high, especially for sub 1000cc class.
750MC - http://www.750mc.co.uk/
Regulations - http://www.750mc.co.uk/Racing/regulations/pdf/2005%20Regs%20-%20Bike%20Sports.pdf
Any thoughts?
Andy
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andylancaster3000
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 12:24 PM |
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Just realised that I should have put this post in the race issues or racing sections, Nevermind!
Andy
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phelpsa
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 12:33 PM |
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Definately!!
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 01:07 PM |
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think you need a fair few ££££'s though.
Posted on: 21/12/2004 12:42:48
Anyone checked out the Bikesports regs yet? I just did and if you were thinking of bolting on a wing and having a go in your RGB car then you might
want to consider the differences in regs.
1. Ride height. They are running to 40mm.
2. You can run any tyre you like. Soft slicks would be a good start.
3. Engine modifications are allowed – a 250hp 1500cc Powertec Hayabusa will cost you £11000 including VAT!!!!!!
What does all that mean – well if you take the fastest RGB car (Tim Harmer) and race it against a Radical SR3 at Snetterton – using respective lap
records, Tim would get lapped after 8 laps!!! The Radical lap record is more than 8 seconds faster than the RGB lap record - Makes you think doesn’t
it.
Sure you could spend £11K on an engine for your car and you might just about keep up on the straights but....you could buy a Fireblade car for
£11K!!
So it sounds to me like a great formula for Radical owners who don’t want to chase the Radical championship, and might be a great idea for the club,
but not somewhere an RGB spec car is likely do very well.. I reckon I’ll stick with RGB myself..
Martin
GordonG Posted on: 21/12/2004 14:17:23
hmmm. Yes, as I read those rules, the engine is pretty much free so long as it starts as a series production bike engine. There's nothing about
'standard' and the only prohibited mod is forced induction.
I dont think the idea of being able to double drive your RGB car in Bikesports is going to be competitive (at least not for long). It may be fine for
the first few races (and will give us some more track opportunities and help give the new formula a leg up) but once anyone takes the regs seriously
they will become much quicker. If you're not worried about being ultimately competitive, an RGB car should be able to run unchanged from my scan
of the rules.
OTOH, if you have the budget and if Bikesports becomes a successful series (and therefore graduates to become a championship) it could provide some
excellent racing for drivers and spectators.
The class A budget will be *far* bigger than that required for RGB. Worst case for us is £2-3k for a new Busa if it goes pop (which they generally
dont unless Haynesee's driving). I suspect once you start stretching things to 1500cc and tuning the nads off them, they will become fragile and
require rebuilds at least once a season.
I can see why they've gone that route - the club needs to throw the net wide to see who turns up in the first year, then tune the regs to suit
for 06.
They cant mandate standard engines as all the Radicals come with Powertec modded engines.
I do hope Bikesport is a success - it has the potential for some great looking and handling cars with performance/£ still better than most other full
on sports racer formulae, and is sufficeintly far away from RGB to avoid cannibalising RGB drivers.
G
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andylancaster3000
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 02:02 PM |
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Jon, I agree with your views. Its a problem with a few of the past and present 750 formulas. There difference between the top and bottom of the grid
being vast. In some cases dangerously vast!
For example: F1300/Clubsports 2000/Sports 2000. Formula 1300 class ran for many years succesfully large grids. But in the mid 90's they started
loosing the grid sizes they opened up the regs and re-named it clubsports 2000 then eventually sports 2000. By the time of demise of the formula in
june 2000 the regs allowed supersport spec cars to run. The original F1300 cars then had no chance and just got in the way of the faster cars.
If people built smaller cars, Eg class B (up to 1000cc) lots of good racing could be had for class wins, rather then overall wins. These class
battles are often more exciting then the overall ones anyway!
The radicals may obliterate smaller cars on the straights but in the corners, especially at places like lydden, lighter, less powerful cars would have
a chance.
Regards,
Andy
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