jollygreengiant
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| posted on 19/6/05 at 05:50 PM |
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F1 Suicide
Well. It looks like F1 regulations have finally allowed it to commit suicide. As per "F1 oh my gawd" postings. As they say on TV, American
litigation laws restrict it for obvious reasons.
It just goes to prove who runs F1, F1 promotors and regulators, or Ferrari, or the BULK of the F! teams. Surely it cannot survive.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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drmike54
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| posted on 19/6/05 at 06:15 PM |
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F1 Joke
I think that the only thing that should have happened is that Michelin should have officially
withdrawn from the race and released all of the teams to run on Bridgestone tires.
Will the teams face sanctions?
Started Welding the chassis!!!!
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 19/6/05 at 07:01 PM |
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I think that knowing the americans and their panchant for litigation, I wouldn't be suprised if somebody sued the F1 organisers for their
failure to supply an F1 race as advertised. Either way I think that they are ( insert applicable word ) for future proper racing in America ( and
possibly the rest of the world ).
enjoy
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 19/6/05 at 07:58 PM |
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as was mentioned by james allen,there is a power struggle going on,bernie and ferrari V the rest.
lets hope it all comes crashing down and a better series arises from the ashes.
why couldnt they just put a chicane up?it would have made a real and safe race,its obvious the fans dont matter
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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JoelP
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| posted on 19/6/05 at 08:03 PM |
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i think bernie was against the fia (and ferrari) this time wasnt he?! Yesterday he insisted that 20 cars would race, but the FIA ruined that by not
allowing the chicane - or was that ferraris work? i suppose that if everyone had refused to race, they would've had to add a chicane...
if only jordan could've been strong enough to not race, then it might have been only ferrari (paul stoddart said he only went out cos jordan
did, and he couldnt afford to lose points against them - fair enough point).
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 19/6/05 at 09:13 PM |
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I think in Bernies mind yesterday he thought that all would race. However who knows what goes on in his mind. I doubt if he has the final say anymore.
He prob thought as Martin brundle said "In the 80's Bernie told them to get in the cars and drive and they did without question."
Changed for the safer now I think.
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JamieG
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| posted on 19/6/05 at 10:24 PM |
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Never seen such a farce. what a total joke, the fans pay a lot of money to see the greatest motor racing show on earth and are rewarded with 6 cars
pootling around as an exscuse for a race. This is what its come to. Champagne display by Monteiro was pretty shameful, granted it was a podium
position but hardly earnt. Personally i would have not stood up there at all. I hope the fans get their money back and F1 can sort its self out like
it was back in the old days. Its very sad but somewhere F1 lost its way, i think after this everyone involved needs to take a good hard look at
how/why/where it got like this and how it can be resloved
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steve_gus
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| posted on 19/6/05 at 10:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by drmike54
I think that the only thing that should have happened is that Michelin should have officially
withdrawn from the race and released all of the teams to run on Bridgestone tires.
Will the teams face sanctions?
it doesnt work like that. once tyres are decided for the race they have to use those. they cant change compounds and certainly not manufacturers.
anyway, dont you live in tyre city - you coulda brought some over 
I hope what happened today will make the 'nine' more detemined to junk ferrari, the fia and f1 management for their own proposed new
series. then michael can 'race' whatever puppet he wants to put in the other car.
Just wait untill they kill a driver cos of the new tyre rules and watch the crap fly.
atb
steve
http://www.locostbuilder.co.uk
Just knock off the 's'!
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 20/6/05 at 10:41 AM |
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Ferrari deny that they objected to the chicane - they just had 'no opinion'' on the matter.....apparently !
I can't help feeling there was more to al;l this than we are being told
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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Hellfire
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| posted on 20/6/05 at 03:13 PM |
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After listening to Mr Mosely on the Radio this afternoon. It seem's clear that Michelin dropped a major boolock. It was still very
unsporting of the Teams wearing michelin rubber to boycott the race. Now it seems that Michelin will have sanctions placed upon them.
Mr Mosely also stated that as far as he was concerned the 'fans' should receive their money back. He was negotiating on behalf of the fans
what action could be taken.
I'd say he was in the clear on this one - technically speaking. It's all a storm in a tea-cup again driven on by the media...
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Scotty
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| posted on 20/6/05 at 03:30 PM |
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if the tyres were not safe to use then i think the teams were right not to race. would you put, potentially, your life on defective items ?
but there could have been a work around if they really wanted it, whether, they fitted bridgestones and had a penalty, like all the mitchelins
starting behind the bridgestone, whatever, the fans lost out big style, and being americans, they probably will sue
PLEASE NOTE! All comments made by this person are to be considered "Tongue in Cheek" and are not meant to be taken seriously in any way - so there!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 20/6/05 at 03:37 PM |
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After watching F3 the other night, I wondered if some of their design principles could be applied to F1.
Imagine if the rules were:
The car has to fit in a 'control box' to limit size.
It must have a minimum ground clearance.
It must be a minimum weight.
It must be open-wheel.
It must meet safety requirements.
Otherwise you can do what you like - but you have to use standard fuel and you have to take air in through a standard hole in a FAI-supplied plate.
You can only get a certain amount of power from a given volume of air!
...but nothing as adventurous as that will ever happen.
DJ
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ned
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| posted on 20/6/05 at 04:02 PM |
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DJ,
a good and proven idea, but in f1 we all know which team would spend the money on the development and get the best out of the regs, i don't
think it'd really change that much...
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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clbarclay
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| posted on 20/6/05 at 04:37 PM |
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Was the most F1 i've watched in a while, Praying that the ferraris would suffer reliablity problems. Either way between minardy and jordan they
where garentied one podiam but three podiams would have been worth a laugh.
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steve_gus
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| posted on 20/6/05 at 10:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
After listening to Mr Mosely on the Radio this afternoon. It seem's clear that Michelin dropped a major boolock. It was still very
unsporting of the Teams wearing michelin rubber to boycott the race. Now it seems that Michelin will have sanctions placed upon them.
Mr Mosely also stated that as far as he was concerned the 'fans' should receive their money back. He was negotiating on behalf of the fans
what action could be taken.
I'd say he was in the clear on this one - technically speaking. It's all a storm in a tea-cup again driven on by the media...
yes. michelin screwed up.
but the new rules prevented them from correcting the error as tyres couldnt be changed.
would it have been safe to have run the tyres more slowly into the bend and have a ferrari up yer ass at 20mph faster than you?
would you buy tyres from a dealer that would 'be ok for 10k miles mate, then ya better change em or you could crash and burn'.
The only reason (i think) that the cars even took to the track was that the fia impose a huge 'no show' fee on any team not making a race.
doing the warmup is classed as making the race, and also allowed the minium of 12 cars to strt to make the sham legal.
I think its the rules that are to fault. It was the rules that made raikonnen drive his tyres till they blew two races ago. HTF can that be safe for
drivers, stewards, or the crowds.
sometimes rules have to be adapted. All they needed to do was to allow michelin to change compounds to something that worked. Would not have given an
advantage, it would have just corrected an error.
but ferrari saw it as an opportunity for an easy win.
and the fia had their heads way too far up their ass to know a bad rule. in any respects, all 10 teams must agree a rule change - which ferrari
wouldnt have agreed to. But then, doesnt mosely have the right to override on safety grounds?
All they needed was to allow michelin to change tyre selection. wouldnt have been the end of the world and we would have a race rather than a tyre
selection lottery.
crock of shyte
atb
steve
[Edited on 20/6/05 by steve_gus]
http://www.locostbuilder.co.uk
Just knock off the 's'!
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gazza285
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| posted on 20/6/05 at 11:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve_gus
but ferrari saw it as an opportunity for an easy win.
What exactly did Ferrari do wrong here? The team turned up with tyres which were fit for the purpose of racing at Indianapolis.
You can not just change the circuits because either one team or seven teams are not prepared correctly to race on it. The main problem corner has been
there since 1908 and if Michelin choose to send a choice of tyres, neither of which are fit for purpose, then quite frankly its tough shit.
While I agree that the tyre rule as it stands is flawed why haven't the Bridgestone tyres suffered any of the major failures that the Michelins
have? Perhaps Michelin are cutting the line between grip and reliability a little too finely and it is that which sacrifices safety.
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