Andrew+dad
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 11:43 AM |
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Stevenage stabbing
I just ondered if anyone had seen on the news about the 15 year old grl stabbed in the chest in school in stevenage yesterday
well heres what i know
it was in my school and the 2 girls were havign fight a fairly fair fight from what i gather untill the one who was at the time "loosing"
pulle dout a knife and stabbed it into the other ...
because of the way the knife was stabbed it ended up 2mm away from her heart and shes was in hospital overnight
she has made a good recovery and will be allowed to go home tonight ...
no one saw it coming its not what you wouldve expected as the grl that did it was always quite quiet and kept to herself
its always a bit of a shcok when something like this happens to people who are so close to you if you understand i didnt really know either of them
but both of them are friends with some of my close friends its a bit of a shock to the system and wotn do my schools reputation any good at all
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gazza285
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 11:46 AM |
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All part of our rich and diverse culture these days.
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shortie
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 11:47 AM |
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Blimey mate, very sad to hear, glad she is ok.
You just never know I guess, you think you know someone and they then go and do something that makes you realise just how little you do know about
them!
Like I said, glad she's ok and hopefully the school won't get too much bad press.
Better wear your cool gear on monday as I reckon the press hounds will be on the gates 
Rich.
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 12:06 PM |
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RANT.
Do you think the gradual escalation in violence is in anyway down to the youth of today taking on, the ways of the west i.e american culture?
crap TV
crap clothes
crap music (rap, and all the other street shite)
The land where everyone can succeed !!!!! , well obviously everyone can't succeed, but they keep ramming, Bling, Stars homes, fantastic wealth
down the kids throats, the pressure to have all this crap , or else your nobody.................so they have to be cool , or hard..................But
of course role models on TV and even in Playstation games wont effect anyone.............B***shit!!!
End of RANT
[Edited on 16/7/05 by Surrey Dave]
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Triton
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 12:21 PM |
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The UK is knackered and it seems somebody is slowly pulling the plug out and the place is slowly but surely sinking..........
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Scotty
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 12:31 PM |
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i can't understand the mentality of going out armed with weapons !!!
is that the culture we now live in ???
obviously yes.
A group of blokes went to a local late night disco with a gun ! - in cornwall !!
ok, it was only a bb gun, but WTF !!!
PLEASE NOTE! All comments made by this person are to be considered "Tongue in Cheek" and are not meant to be taken seriously in any way - so there!
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Noodle
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 12:45 PM |
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At sports day this week at the school in Wolves where I was teaching until recently, one chap took a replica pistol with him to strut about in front
of his homeeez.
Bless him. He's just misunderstood. And 13.
Mind you, he'd done it before.
Cheers,
Neil.
Your sort make me sick
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tri
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 01:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Surrey Dave
crap music (rap, and all the other street shite)
firstly glad to hear she is ok
but have to say not all rap music talks about going out a killing and even most of the stuff doesn't tell to do it i don't personaly
listen to it but i have m8s that do and they don't want to go stab people. An other point is people have killed and blame it on manson as well
and last time i looked hes not a rapper
Tri
[Edited on 16/7/05 by tri]
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 01:17 PM |
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Never mind curfews and ASBOs, we need to tackle the root of the problem.
Bring back national service, take telly off the air except between 6pm and 11pm ( as it used to be) bring back corporal punishment in schools and
bring back hanging! ( there's no danger of hanging the wrong person with the DNA technology available today).
Teach kids some respect and give them some values and a moral code to live by.
I could sort this bloody country out by tea time! RRRAAAARRRRRRGH!
Rant over now!
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 02:16 PM |
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i think jb is right there,the rot started when the cane was banned at school,parents cant slap their kids anymore,there is no respect for anyone or
the law that is now so limp it has to pick on drivers to keep the courts running.
work camps and prisons in siberia would cure half the problem,the birch or hangmans noose the rest
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 02:20 PM |
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jon firstly corpral punishment wouldnt work lol if a teacher hit me id hit them back lol
TV who says its all down to tv ??
national service might not be bad idea
and i too dont understand why people try to act like americans but its not just tha is it its trying to look kool and all of a sudden do you have to
carry a weapon to be "hard" or "kool"
i really dont get it and hell im one of the teenagers that you lot are bitching about lol
i will admit to carrying a weapon but i wasnt going to use it not even to scare them lol but i was carrying my knives back from kungfu hehe and i got
jumped and oe of them pulls out a knife and says give me your wallet i said ok ok and reached into my pocklet whipped out the knives and started
spinning them round and swinging them while i stood there saying if you want a knife fight lets go lol and it bloody worked they ran so fast it was
funny
but thats not carrying a weapon to look kool it was carrying it home after kung fu  and i do have a license for them before you ask
but the amount of times people have pulled knives on me in stevenage is unreal most of the time if you stand there and say
"if you want to stab me to look kool go ahead but if you do stab me ill just pull that blade straight out and slit your throat in "self
defence" they usually walk away lol
someone has yet to call my bluff i dunno wot id do if they actually call it lol
[Edited on 16/7/05 by Andrew+dad]
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Dave Ashurst
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 02:26 PM |
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and there you have it
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 02:36 PM |
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"jon firstly corpral punishment wouldnt work lol if a teacher hit me id hit them back lol"
When we were told to go to the Heads office we truly crapped ourselves!!!
There seems to be a blind arrogance today , "I wont do this" , "You cant make me", .........
Dont keep telling us what you wont do, tell us what you are going to do that will be constructive for society as a whole.......
Someone's got to contribute ..........
I found (Andrews response a bit depressing) , BUT one of the good things about this forum is that there's a lot of young builders , which really
impresses me, so they cant all be out muggin and stabbing...........
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gazza285
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 02:39 PM |
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Indeed.
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 02:45 PM |
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i dont see what you can find depressing about it ...
to me it seems tat "back in the day" as my grandparents would say there was this whole ruling by fear approach in schools which is why
corpral punishment worked
but why is ruling by fear the right way to go sureley it is better for pupils and teachers to teach in an atmosphere of mutual respect which is what
my classes are like 90% of the time and infact the teachers that are seen as fairly innefectual are the ones that dont try to treat us like people but
try to treat us like their underlings ...
an atmosphere of mutual respect is a much better learning environment then when a teacher tries to make you fear them ..
i have been at two different secondary schools the first was a very strict catholic school which had a zero tolerance policy on pretty much
everything even to the extremes of regulation haircuts ... and school days for me and my friends became more a test of just how far you can bend the
rules and not get caught out rather then trying to learn and since the head is just getting stricter and stricter the exam results are getting worse
and to combat this he makes the school stricter hmm MORON imho
he goes as far as calling the entire school 1500 + probably more like 17-1800 pupils into the hall packed so tightly there is only standing space and
gives them all a good shouting at for about an hour last time he did it 6 people fainted and he just carried on ...
the new school i am at is a bit more lax and because there are less rules and they are not inforced to such an extremist extent people do not spend
their time trying ot break them and as a whole the pupils have a lot more respect for the teachers ...
ok theres always a few people wo will let it down but you cannot forsee things like what happened yesterday and its down to the individual not
neccasarily the environment they are in.
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Dale
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 04:08 PM |
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"sureley it is better for pupils and teachers to teach in an atmosphere of mutual respect " When this is the consideration of students in
school now where no one has respect for anyone or anything when its cool to stab someone trash someones property or threaten someone with a knife or
gun. Someone threatens you with a knife they should be thrown in adult jail with no ky jelly. Threatend with a gun - real or not hang the
f#@$kers. Back when I was in high school in the early 80s (small town still) I recall one incedent of a knife in school- on kid stabed someon with a
poket knife- kid was not considered cool for this by students or staff or the police- who promptly hauled his ass out of the school and was expelled.
I did not hear of another incedent there during my 5 years there.
Untill you show respect for others - you deserve non yourself. It is earned not a given.
Dale
Thanks
Dale
my 14 and11 year old boys 22
and 19 now want to drive but have to be 25 before insurance will allow. Finally on the road
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dmottaway
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 04:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Surrey Dave
RANT.
Do you think the gradual escalation in violence is in anyway down to the youth of today taking on, the ways of the west i.e american culture?
.............End of RANT
standard response - have a problem? find somebody else to blame.
dave
Somewhere, in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
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Noodle
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 06:09 PM |
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License parenting.
Job done.
Your sort make me sick
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gazza285
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 07:36 PM |
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the-war-vet-who-beat-up-hoodie
Amused me for a while.
[Edited on 16/7/05 by gazza285]
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Wadders
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 08:08 PM |
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Well er yer but no but er shaaatup!
Originally posted by Andrew+dad
jon firstly corpral punishment wouldnt work lol if a teacher hit me id hit them back lol
TV who says its all down to tv ??
national service might not be bad idea
and i too dont understand why people try to act like americans but its not just tha is it its trying to look kool and all of a sudden do you have to
carry a weapon to be "hard" or "kool"
i really dont get it and hell im one of the teenagers that you lot are bitching about lol
i will admit to carrying a weapon but i wasnt going to use it not even to scare them lol but i was carrying my knives back from kungfu hehe and i got
jumped and oe of them pulls out a knife and says give me your wallet i said ok ok and reached into my pocklet whipped out the knives and started
spinning them round and swinging them while i stood there saying if you want a knife fight lets go lol and it bloody worked they ran so fast it was
funny
but thats not carrying a weapon to look kool it was carrying it home after kung fu and i do have a license for them before you ask
but the amount of times people have pulled knives on me in stevenage is unreal most of the time if you stand there and say
"if you want to stab me to look kool go ahead but if you do stab me ill just pull that blade straight out and slit your throat in "self
defence" they usually walk away lol
someone has yet to call my bluff i dunno wot id do if they actually call it lol
[Edited on 16/7/05 by Andrew+dad]
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Noodle
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| posted on 16/7/05 at 10:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andrew+dad
jon firstly corpral punishment wouldnt work lol if a teacher hit me id hit them back lol
TV who says its all down to tv ??
national service might not be bad idea
and i too dont understand why people try to act like americans but its not just tha is it its trying to look kool and all of a sudden do you have to
carry a weapon to be "hard" or "kool"
i really dont get it and hell im one of the teenagers that you lot are bitching about lol
i will admit to carrying a weapon but i wasnt going to use it not even to scare them lol but i was carrying my knives back from kungfu hehe and i got
jumped and oe of them pulls out a knife and says give me your wallet i said ok ok and reached into my pocklet whipped out the knives and started
spinning them round and swinging them while i stood there saying if you want a knife fight lets go lol and it bloody worked they ran so fast it was
funny
but thats not carrying a weapon to look kool it was carrying it home after kung fu and i do have a license for them before you ask
but the amount of times people have pulled knives on me in stevenage is unreal most of the time if you stand there and say
"if you want to stab me to look kool go ahead but if you do stab me ill just pull that blade straight out and slit your throat in "self
defence" they usually walk away lol
someone has yet to call my bluff i dunno wot id do if they actually call it lol
[Edited on 16/7/05 by Andrew+dad]
Please tell me that was irony.
Please.
Your sort make me sick
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 02:37 AM |
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Well what can I say?
If corporal punishment, hanging, national service, tougher laws and the right to beat the living crap out of our kids ( sorry I mean discipline our
kids) and other people's kids when they step out of line, is not the answer then please, someone, tell me what is. Because the system we have at
present ain't working and it's going to get worse.
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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kb58
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 03:49 AM |
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We disconnected our TV two years ago. I still don't miss it. It's all sensationalized crap, superfical nonsense, and shallow
"reality." Who needs it? Plus I have several more hours a day to do other stuff. Ever since disconnecting it I'm far more
productive.
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Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
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Rorty
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 05:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andrew+dad
jon firstly corpral punishment wouldnt work lol if a teacher hit me id hit them back lol
TV who says its all down to tv ??
national service might not be bad idea
and i too dont understand why people try to act like americans but its not just tha is it its trying to look kool and all of a sudden do you have to
carry a weapon to be "hard" or "kool"
i really dont get it and hell im one of the teenagers that you lot are bitching about lol
i will admit to carrying a weapon but i wasnt going to use it not even to scare them lol but i was carrying my knives back from kungfu hehe and i got
jumped and oe of them pulls out a knife and says give me your wallet i said ok ok and reached into my pocklet whipped out the knives and started
spinning them round and swinging them while i stood there saying if you want a knife fight lets go lol and it bloody worked they ran so fast it was
funny
but thats not carrying a weapon to look kool it was carrying it home after kung fu and i do have a license for them before you ask
but the amount of times people have pulled knives on me in stevenage is unreal most of the time if you stand there and say
"if you want to stab me to look kool go ahead but if you do stab me ill just pull that blade straight out and slit your throat in "self
defence" they usually walk away lol
someone has yet to call my bluff i dunno wot id do if they actually call it lol
i dont see what you can find depressing about it ...
to me it seems tat "back in the day" as my grandparents would say there was this whole ruling by fear approach in schools which is why
corpral punishment worked
but why is ruling by fear the right way to go sureley it is better for pupils and teachers to teach in an atmosphere of mutual respect which is what
my classes are like 90% of the time and infact the teachers that are seen as fairly innefectual are the ones that dont try to treat us like people but
try to treat us like their underlings ...
an atmosphere of mutual respect is a much better learning environment then when a teacher tries to make you fear them ..
i have been at two different secondary schools the first was a very strict catholic school which had a zero tolerance policy on pretty much everything
even to the extremes of regulation haircuts ... and school days for me and my friends became more a test of just how far you can bend the rules and
not get caught out rather then trying to learn and since the head is just getting stricter and stricter the exam results are getting worse and to
combat this he makes the school stricter hmm MORON imho
he goes as far as calling the entire school 1500 + probably more like 17-1800 pupils into the hall packed so tightly there is only standing space and
gives them all a good shouting at for about an hour last time he did it 6 people fainted and he just carried on ...
the new school i am at is a bit more lax and because there are less rules and they are not inforced to such an extremist extent people do not spend
their time trying ot break them and as a whole the pupils have a lot more respect for the teachers ...
ok theres always a few people wo will let it down but you cannot forsee things like what happened yesterday and its down to the individual not
neccasarily the environment they are in.
[Edited on 16/7/05 by Andrew+dad]
If that's not reason enough for corporal punishment then why bother going on!
Why would you carry knives in the first place, even if you do have a "licence" (?) for them? What if one of the other lads decided to take
you on?
I think your whole attitude stinks and shows little respect for anyone, least of all yourself.
I went to two different boarding schools where I was subjected to corporal punishment and I can honestly say I benefited from it and so did thousands
of other people of that era. I learnt manners, respect, social skills and how to read and write the Queens English; something else that evades you.
You're attitude towards your schooling is disgraceful; why not take on the lessons that are being offered you instead of trying to disrupt the
process?
I had hoped you were having a wind up, but it appears not as you exhibit no morality nor embarrasment in what you say.
I would be ashamed to be related to someone like that.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 06:23 AM |
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again to quote jb (no i,m not after your cd)
certain middle east countries chop your hands off for theft,result no theft,far east they flog you for grafiti,result no grafiti,tell me that dosnt
work!
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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