Russ-Turner
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 10:04 AM |
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London Shooting!!
Don't haggle with SO19!!
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 10:11 AM |
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One down three to go ? 
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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ned
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 10:14 AM |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm
beware, I've got yellow skin
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marktigere1
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 10:24 AM |
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Looks like some of our 'Special' boys took him out rather than the police.
If a bolt is stuck force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
(My Dad 1991)
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James
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 11:24 AM |
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Originally posted by DaveFJ
One down three to go ?
Let's hope not eh?
Creating martyrs (and bodies who can't be interrogated) is the last thing we want.
If we're not careful they'll all top themselves or get taken down like this and the fantastic luck (intelligence) of the bombs not going
off (and all the evidence potential that gives) will be minimised.
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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JAG
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 11:53 AM |
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From the BBC website;
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they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him
It seems they had this guy under control and then CHOSE to kill him.
If he was carrying explosives and was about to 'push the button' fair enough - otherwise I am very concerned about the actions of these
people.
[Edited on 22/7/05 by JAG]
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 12:01 PM |
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Well, the policeman who pulled the trigger will have been suspended by now, and will be the subject of a police enquiry run by another force (this is
the standard procedure). If they judge that the shooting was unreasonable or unjustified then that officer will be charged with murder.
This may seem harsh, but as JAG says, there have to be controls otherwise they'll be popping off randomly at every asian with a rucksack.
David
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britishtrident
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 12:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marktigere1
Looks like some of our 'Special' boys took him out rather than the police.
It has a distinct wiff off the boys from Hereford -- but as more than few ex-SAS people now work for other agencies who knows.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 12:32 PM |
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I think the actions taken, whilst in Iraq or other parts of the middle east would inflame the situation, will here make young potential suicide
bombers (or just bombers) think twice before going ahead with their actions.
I quite agree though, that we need to catch these people alive to glean information from them.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 12:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Well, the policeman who pulled the trigger will have been suspended by now, and will be the subject of a police enquiry run by another force (this is
the standard procedure). If they judge that the shooting was unreasonable or unjustified then that officer will be charged with murder.
This may seem harsh, but as JAG says, there have to be controls otherwise they'll be popping off randomly at every asian with a rucksack.
David
No the usually just shoot Scotsmen who are carrying a table leg in the back. This operation doen't look like Police --- very much like some
of the SAS operations against the Provos.
Bu would any sane youngish person of indian/pakistani or arab appearance go on the underground with a rucksack at the moment ? I think not.
[Edited on 22/7/05 by britishtrident]
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subk2002
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 03:31 PM |
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Is there not a New law to do with bombers that the police can shoot to kill ?
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lewis635
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 04:04 PM |
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All armed services, civil and military, must abide by their rules of engagement. these are not a "licence to kill" or shoot to kill
policy. I am sure that before these officers pulled the trigger they would be certain that they were doing it to prevent further loss of life,
otherwise they will be up on a murder charge. Could you make a split second decision like that?
I would imagine that the police rules of engagement are similar to the rules that the british army in northern ireland had to follow, these rules were
very much in the terrorists favour.
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James
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 04:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
It has a distinct wiff off the boys from Hereford -- but as more than few ex-SAS people now work for other agencies who knows.
I'd be surprised, there's not enough SAS for Iraq/Afghanistan plus all the covert missions as it is- let alone having them hanging around
train stations waiting for someone to maybe come along!
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 05:12 PM |
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heard on t news someone was shot on harrow road,coverage isnt too good here,anyone care to keep moi updated?
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Peteff
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 05:26 PM |
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shoot to kill policy
What other reason would there be? If they can still move they can shoot you back or set their bomb off. If I was carrying anything, including a table
leg, and an armed policeman told me to drop it or he'd shoot it would be dropped before he'd finished saying it. I don't think the
Scotsman was targeted for being Scottish, he was obviously seen as a threat.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Russ-Turner
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 06:06 PM |
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Even the British Army have rules of engagement. When my cousin was in Northern Ireland with the Staffs he had to get shot at first before he was even
allowed to cock his weapon!!
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kanscrx
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 06:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
It has a distinct wiff off the boys from Hereford -- but as more than few ex-SAS people now work for other agencies who knows.
I'd be surprised, there's not enough SAS for Iraq/Afghanistan plus all the covert missions as it is- let alone having them hanging around
train stations waiting for someone to maybe come along!
James
The SAS always keeps a CT squadron in the country, no matter what. The squadrons rotate every year or 2 years, I think, but they always keep a
squadron in the UK on CT duty.
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 06:20 PM |
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Give the copper with the gun a medal. It's about time we started wiping out these scum!
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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DorsetStrider
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 09:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JAG
From the BBC website;
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they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him
It seems they had this guy under control and then CHOSE to kill him.
If he was carrying explosives and was about to 'push the button' fair enough - otherwise I am very concerned about the actions of these
people.
[Edited on 22/7/05 by JAG]
I'm not. I'm not gonna shed any tears for him however he died. Although I would say that it's just a shame SIS/MI5 didn't get
to spend a couple of hours with him in a closed room first.
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 09:53 PM |
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it would be wrong if it was avoidable, simlpy because you cannot act as captain judge and jury, and executioner. It would seem highly unlikely that
this man was innocent, but he should still have had a trial if it was possible to take him alive. Lets just hope they find conclusive proof and dont
get prosecuted for his death.
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steve_gus
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| posted on 22/7/05 at 10:15 PM |
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its been reported that he had a large coat on, and was wearing a bomb belt with wires on it.
a few bullets in the head would remove the possibility of him setting it off.
he was followed from a house the police had been watching, was warned to stop, and ran away from the police. If I were innocent and armed police
challenged me, i wouldnt move a muscle unless they told me to.
But this guy chose to run. Five seconds later there could have been another explosion.
atb
steve
http://www.locostbuilder.co.uk
Just knock off the 's'!
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JoelP
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| posted on 23/7/05 at 07:36 AM |
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only trouble is, if he was wearing a bomb belt there would've been a controlled explosion at the scene.
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greggors84
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| posted on 23/7/05 at 10:25 AM |
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Apparently the "policemen" were carrying handguns, i didnt think any police used handguns, always sub machine guns when they were
armed.
Does seem like SAS or some other special forces.
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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Peteff
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| posted on 23/7/05 at 10:35 AM |
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Armed response teams
They carry Glock 17 pistols or Heckler and Koch MP5 9mm carbines depending on their needs.
[Edited on 23/7/05 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 23/7/05 at 10:39 AM |
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On the telly this morning a retired senior cop (ex-sweeney) has said he suspects it was an SAS job.
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