mookaloid
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| posted on 16/1/06 at 11:15 PM |
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Stylus, Fury, Phoenix?
Can anyone tell me the difference between these cars? Would they be considerably heavier than our cars or would the improved aerodynamics
compensate?
They all look fairly similar to me and I think they might even share parentage....
Are they all still available and which one is most developed for competion use?
Cheers
Mark
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ady8077
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| posted on 16/1/06 at 11:22 PM |
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Hi Mark
All cars are similar, Jeremy Phillips designed all 3
Phoenix is the smallest and lightest, origanlly designed as a full body for the striker.
Fury slightly larger, more of a track/tourer
Stylus about same size as Fury, Has a different chassis bigger doors and a boot, more of a tourer, but in RT style quite good on the track
As for weights, my pinto Stylus weighed about 670kg's at sva, the old red demo stylus was about 640 and the duratec RT about 550
Adrian
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cossey
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 08:09 AM |
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the phoenix has no door or windescreen and is oriented as track only.
fury goes from both extremes from the sypder (no doors or screen)with bike engines weighing in at around 400-420kg through the full screen spyder
(screen but still no doors) to the normal car. the doors are fairly useless though and its pretty much just as easy to step over them.
ive only seen a couple of styluses (stylii?) but they arent that track orientated but i havent seen the rt so cant comment on that.
if you want a track car go for either the round tube phoenix (which was fairly dominant of the rgb last year) or the fury spyder.
phoenix
http://www.stuart-taylor.co.uk//
Fury
http://www.fishersportscars.co.uk/
Stylus
http://www.specialistsportscars.com/
what engine are you thinking of?
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zilspeed
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 08:36 AM |
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A friend of mine is building a Fury. As has been said above, all three of the above are the work of Jeremy Philips of sylva. He tends to develop a car
so far then move it on to another manufacturer. (I had one myself once).
The Fury my friend is building is using a dry sumped 'busa, flat shift gearchange, Quaife atb diff in a freelander case, lightweight chassis and
bodywork and bike brakes. (You might have guessed - it will be an out and out racer).
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garyo
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 09:11 AM |
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I used to have a Fury for around a year, and have also owned a Westfield for 4 years. I thought the Fury would be similar to the Westfield, but a more
sedate motorway cruiser, and more comformable generally.
What I found what that it was certainly nicer on the motorways - less buffeting, less wind noise, less spray... all together a better experience. From
a weight and performance point of view I'd say the construction is just like a seven with inboard front wheels and a better aero package (front
inboard rocker suspension differences aside) Any extra weight would be more than cancelled out by the time you get to around 60mph by which tim the
sevens brick-like aero will be using 25% of your power anway.
What surprised me the most is that it had the same seats as my westfield, the same narrow cramped tunnel, lack of leg room (I'm
6'2" and it was *more* difficult to get in and out of with the roof up - The doors are smaller than a westfields side screens.
The Fury has a pretty useless boot too. They've sorted this out on the Stylus.
Gary
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mookaloid
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 10:00 AM |
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Thanks for the comments people, I'm just thinking ahead trying to decide whether to develop the indy to be more competitive for the hill climbs
or get one of the above and put an S2000 motor in.
A phoenix with the s2000 should be a good bit of kit - is a full screen available for it?
Cheers
Mark
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cossey
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 11:59 AM |
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no screen for the phoenix and when i talked to Ian Gray (main guy at stuart taylor) he said it would be fairly difficult to engineer one with the body
the shape it is.
if you need a screen go for a full screen spyder fury.
also on the fury it is possible to have the trans tunnel narrowed with some engines to give more cabin space (mostly becs but might be ok withan
s2000)
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jimgiblett
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 12:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cossey
the phoenix has no door or windescreen and is oriented as track only.
I would agree that the round tube version is track orientated due to the lowered chassis.
The square tube version is still available via Cyana sports cars link
Now updated with MX5 running gear.
No windcreen may put some people off (I believe Cyana are looking at adding this) but it is a very capable road car. Ive driven mine up and down the
country as well as a few trips to central France.
As for bootspace having access to a sidepod gives plenty of room to store all kinds of things. This wont be available if youre planning on running a
V6 or V8 though as it will have an exhaust in both 
Cossey are you still planning on putting an 04 R1 engine in youre Fury? I spoke to the guys on the Global Lights (they have one fitted in one of
their cars) and they are very impressed with it. On track the long first gear was not an issue.
- Jim
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mookaloid
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 01:15 PM |
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The screen is neccessary for the roadgoing class in the hill climbs. otherwise I wouldn't bother.
Cheers
mark
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olv
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 02:11 PM |
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What's the average build cost on this style of kit? I'd have thought the bodywork is going to cost a fair bit more then a 7, what else
costs more?
Are there any decent dedicated forums?
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Jasper
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 05:09 PM |
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With a S2000 a lot, without, around £6-£10. Depends on whether you go for creature comforts or stripped out track car.
Mark, I would check the figures carefully before going with the S2000. I was gonna use this engine, but then found out you need a £1000 +++ dry sump
with all the plumbing, and an aftermarket ECU unless you are very clever with wiring, and the engines start at around £2.5k - fantastic engine though.
I went with the Nissan engine instead, £1.1k for the engine and few hundred quid more for bits and bobs including boost controller, and you've
got 260+ bhp.
Forum:
Link
Don't expect Locost style though!
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stevebubs
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 08:02 PM |
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As I understand it, the S2000 gearbox is also rather lardy so you'll need to check dimensions...
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stevebubs
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 08:02 PM |
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PS The Smartgroups list is playing up at the moment....again....
More information available at www.s-s-r.org.uk
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cossey
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| posted on 17/1/06 at 08:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jimgiblett
quote:
Originally posted by cossey
the phoenix has no door or windescreen and is oriented as track only.
I would agree that the round tube version is track orientated due to the lowered chassis.
The square tube version is still available via Cyana sports cars link
Now updated with MX5 running gear.
No windcreen may put some people off (I believe Cyana are looking at adding this) but it is a very capable road car. Ive driven mine up and down the
country as well as a few trips to central France.
As for bootspace having access to a sidepod gives plenty of room to store all kinds of things. This wont be available if youre planning on running a
V6 or V8 though as it will have an exhaust in both
Cossey are you still planning on putting an 04 R1 engine in youre Fury? I spoke to the guys on the Global Lights (they have one fitted in one of
their cars) and they are very impressed with it. On track the long first gear was not an issue.
- Jim
im just looking at engines atm but ive seen a fair few ultra low miles 05 r1s around so ill be getting one of those in the next couple of weeks. at
175bhp and quite a lot lighter than a hayabusa it should be quite fun. i need to sort out with Martin a kcw about whether he needs the engine for
mounts.
also according to members of the r1 forum the newer engines seem to put out very healthy power gains with a proper exhaust and a remap.
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