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tootall - 14/11/08 at 10:27 PM

hi found this on ebay is it rubish or worth a go

http://cgi.ebay.com/POWER-FUEL-RACING-CHIP-for-GSXR-K7-600-750-1000_W0QQitemZ220308979941QQihZ012QQcategoryZ35233QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1 262


mangogrooveworkshop - 14/11/08 at 10:28 PM

Yes its simple

You give him a load of cash and he gives you snake oil.........

All the top F1 teams use them


dinosaurjuice - 14/11/08 at 10:36 PM

it says it works on ALL fuel injected bikes, therefore it must work on something common.

my guess is it goes between temp sensor and ecu and fools it into thinking engine is cooler and therefore injects more fuel? the little switches are probably to suit different temperatur sensor resistances.


locogeoff - 14/11/08 at 11:03 PM

They "work" by fooling the ECU into thinking its working under different conditions, i.e different air temperatures throttle openings etc also ths one states it advanced the ignition a bit.

remember that manufacturers make engine management systems to meet local emissions requirements, longevity requirements, varying fuel qualities etc so a device lie ths "may" provide a performance improvement at the expense of another parameter.

In reality they are crapola, if you want more power fit an aftermarket ECU and get the thing properly mapped to look after your investment whilst producing the best power it can from the mechanical constraints.

typo in secod paragraph left in as it just seemed right

[Edited on 14/11/08 by locogeoff]


mookaloid - 14/11/08 at 11:41 PM

Feedback policy on performance parts by BK Racing Parts Team


BKRACINGPARTS acts only as a retailer on performance parts we can’t and won’t guarantee nothing more than the excellence of our services as an online trader .We aren’t manufacturers of the products we sell so our role ends at the safe delivery of the products .We’ll gladly accept to help with any after sales issues (such as possibly factory faulty items or post office lost item claim forms for all your insured packages).


BUT the customer's expectations on performance and horsepower gained by the vehicle with the use of our offered for sale performance products are of the customer’s own concern.

Customer’s satisfaction on our service and therefore positive feedback SHOULD only be based on the quality of our service and safe delivery of the product AND NOT on the performance outcome of the product you bought, which might be a result of many different factors (tuning experience , other particular requirements such as rejetting etc.).

Satisfaction with the performance gained is subjective and depends on the original customer’s expectations and driving/riding experience and that’s something we can’t be responsible for.


Any unreasonable feedback that is in breach with the above policy will result in our immediate response against the responsible Ebayer.


It’s about time we did without troublemaking and immature Ebayers.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Says it all really.....


ss1turbo - 15/11/08 at 12:01 AM

These things work by relieving you of the said amount, then (usually) reducing both your fuel economy and engine life.

Put the money to better use - like towards a Dyno session.


ReMan - 15/11/08 at 12:03 AM

It gets better.
"Seller's Note: the term "programmable chip" comes from the manufacturer's description and refers to the ability of the device to offer different settings with the use of the 4 buttons on it.The device is not exactly a chip but it falls in this category as it functions as one.As a seller we accept no responsibility if your understanding/expectations of the device are different.Any questions please ask before purchase as customers are solely responsible for the purchase."
The chip thats not a chip


D Beddows - 15/11/08 at 12:09 AM

quote:

They "work" by fooling the ECU into thinking its working under different conditions, i.e different air temperatures throttle openings etc also ths one states it advanced the ignition a bit.



I'd be willing to bet they don't even do that! a couple of quid for some random bit of circuit board, a switch, a plastic case, a sticker and one of those connectors you clamp onto a wire = £30ish a go - and he's sold what about 3000 of them makes you think..........

[Edited on 15/11/08 by D Beddows]


dinosaurjuice - 15/11/08 at 12:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
It gets better.
"Seller's Note: the term "programmable chip" comes from the manufacturer's description and refers to the ability of the device to offer different settings with the use of the 4 buttons on it.The device is not exactly a chip but it falls in this category as it functions as one.As a seller we accept no responsibility if your understanding/expectations of the device are different.Any questions please ask before purchase as customers are solely responsible for the purchase."
The chip thats not a chip




just a bunch of resistors in a box... without the fancy packaging it probably costs about £0.80 to make.

i still wouldnt use one for 80p.... an ecu can make or brake and engine - let it know what it wants to know.


BenB - 15/11/08 at 11:24 AM

Yup. Load of resistors in a box with some little switches. Add resistance to the temperature sensor to make it run richer....

Normally the idiots on Ebay who sell these just send you a resistor. This one pretends to get technical by adding some switches....


Danozeman - 15/11/08 at 11:42 AM

It will be a box of resistors with little switches to switch on the various ones giving u different resistance values on the intake/fuel temp. Load of shite.

It is in a nice little case though normally its just a resistor and a cable tie.



quote:

BUT the customer's expectations on performance and horsepower gained by the vehicle with the use of our offered for sale performance products are of the customer’s own concern.




02GF74 - 15/11/08 at 01:00 PM

it is like that volvo resistor but more of and with switches.

15-20%incease in power - that is huge.

do you know of anyone who has taken a factory motor (no mods) to a dyno to be tuned for more power and got 20 % more?


MikeRJ - 16/11/08 at 12:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Dodgy Ebay Seller
Customer’s satisfaction on our service and therefore positive feedback SHOULD only be based on the quality of our service and safe delivery of the product AND NOT on the performance outcome of the product you bought, which might be a result of many different factors (tuning experience , other particular requirements such as rejetting etc.).

Satisfaction with the performance gained is subjective and depends on the original customer’s expectations and driving/riding experience and that’s something we can’t be responsible for.


Any unreasonable feedback that is in breach with the above policy will result in our immediate response against the responsible Ebayer.


And what response would that be? Sellers have little or no ability to fight negative feedback, and they certainly don't have any power to demands the terms on which positive feedback is left. They clearly know they are peddling a pile a crap and are trying to wash their hands of it.

Fools and their money are soon parted, so sadly plenty of people will buy these stupid things.