Hi Locosters.

As I'm sure you are aware you are all more knowledgeable than me and I wanted to see what your take on the following game would be.

The rules are as follows:

You must buy an engine.
You have up to £1500.
You have a chassis designed for a car engine (unfeasible to be a BEC).
You already have a type 9 gearbox (assume sale will add £100 to the money you have to spend).

Once the money has been spent the engine should be in a state in which it is transferable into a car (i.e. complete with gearbox, necessary ancillaries and megasquirt). You don't need to buy an exhaust with this money though.

Any money you have left over can be used to enhance the engine. Lowest cost to highest bhp ratio wins!

To get the ball rolling heres my 2 first ideas:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-RedTop-C20XE-2-0-16v-Engine_W0QQitemZ250351227580QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item25035122 7580&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

and use the rest of the money getting it in the car. (No idea how much this would cost for new bellhousing etc!)

OR

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1998-2004-ford-focus-2-0-zetec-engine-low-miles-54-000_W0QQitemZ250350042169QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM ?hash=item250350042169&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318.

No idea myself, but a good alternative too...

What engine should i use type thread!

RX8 engine and box.

Maybe

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/rx-8-engine-high-power-13B-2005-8000-miles_W0QQitemZ160305308215QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item16 0305308215&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318


Or pushing the budget
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/231-BHP-RX-8-ENGINE-900-miles-from-new_W0QQitemZ250351894737QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item250351 894737&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Having previously gone down the RX8 route with my old Caterham, I would agree that you can indeed get the engine and box on budget, but you will have to spend another grand on bits to make it run outside it's intended application!

engine

2.0 L zetec that means most bits will
swap over alternator starter ect.

Inlet Manifold

Rs turbo exhaust manifold and turbo.

Decompresion plate

Arp rod bolt set

megasquirt 1 kit

Doable if you can fabricate bits your self and should give 250bhp

lots of change for the hidden extras

How about this?

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Originally posted by big_wasa
engine

2.0 L zetec that means most bits will
swap over alternator starter ect.

Inlet Manifold

Rs turbo exhaust manifold and turbo.

Decompresion plate

Arp rod bolt set

megasquirt 1 kit

Doable if you can fabricate bits your self and should give 250bhp

lots of change for the hidden extras

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Originally posted by mookaloid
How about this?

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or keeping it Na and on a smaller budget.

Engine as above £85

Megasquirt as above £160

X111/ blackbird b's £35

Bog bro's manifold £200

Escort sump £25


thats £470 for 165 bhp

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Ah wow is that actually a duratec or a zetec badged as a duratec?

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somebody might be able to say why it's not possible, but a Mk3 golf 16v (ABF) Gti engine gave 150bhp as standard, and was readilly mappable for 170bhp (£150).... tiger's belgian agent sells bell housings to mount VW engines to type 9 (pricey at ~£500) , and the engine was fitted N/S in passats so sumps not a problem (~£25).

Having driven a mk3 gti for a couple of years previously, it is a great engine so have never understood why no-body puts it into sevens? - is it coz it's too tall?

cheers big wasa, that N/A option looks very appealing!

Although c20xe will give 150bhp for less monies?

[Edited on 4/1/09 by cd.thomson]

got to be this package

link

if you want ford
link

Not a chance will you install the red top for less than a zetec.

you will get more power out of a standard red top how ever.

I still think the zetec wins on the bhp/ £

[Edited on 4/1/09 by big_wasa]

Buy an mot failer 2.0 mondeo and transplant the lot in to the kit.

add a super chip and thats a complete install and 150bhp for the price of the red top engine.

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Originally posted by tomblyth
got to be this package

link

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wow..

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I wont need a gearbox as it comes included, but I will need a new propshaft and it will end up selling for a far greater amount of money than it is showing at the minute. A man can dream!

Zetec is looking like the cheapest good option with c20xe being a moderately more expensive choice but with a higher standard spec I think.

£175 and spend the rest of the money at aj6engineering and get up to 750hp out of it

yep the zetec will need a set of cams and some head work to get the 200bhp that the red top is going to give with tb's and a good exhaust.
So only gives the better bhp/£ at the top end of your budget.

anything RWD and with a volvo badge .

you could use the extra £100 for something else since youll get a decent gearbox with the whole car .

whole car .

about £500 (maybe less if your good) later , youll have 250bhp

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1998-VOLVO-940-CELEBRATION-ESTATE-GREEN_W0QQitemZ220337183376QQihZ012QQcategoryZ9872QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Edited on 4/1/09 by Volvorsport]

hmm I do like that 3.0l engine from the 960 like Benzines

or if your having the chassis made to the engine .

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1995-VOLVO-850-T5-TURBO-GREEN-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ130278188895QQihZ003QQcategoryZ9872QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

unfortunately the chassis is already made for a pinto, so some modification is allowed, but not a complete change!

That'll mean the V12 is out the window too then..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Q90XR5QwI&eurl=http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=154895&feature=player_embedded

[Edited on 4/1/09 by Volvorsport]

although volvo engines may be cool.

Volvos are not!

volvos are sub zero , have you not been watching top gear .

If you also include the sale of your kidneys, you could use this as a donor, a real tarmac scorcher

Linky

Keep an eye on the S2000 engine... they don't always go for big money (and it is post Xmas, so there will be less interested).

A word of warning though! There are a LOT of scammers using desirable engines as bait at the moment (s2000 and RS4 are 2 of the favourites). Make sure that they take PayPal for any deposits / final payments!

If they start going on about paying by 'Square Deal', etc. then walk away... quickly!

I will, and if it settles at or below the £1500 mark then ill take it and generate the cash to fit it separately, worth it for the engine.

Otherwise I think I'll go for the c20xe as it could be converted in future to a turbo

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Originally posted by The Baron
If you also include the sale of your kidneys, you could use this as a donor, a real tarmac scorcher

Linky

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£1500 By my standard's that's a lot of money....

My `budget` build was -
KLDE 2.5 V6 - £100
Mx5 G/box - £40
Ally for adapter/flywheel - £100
Throttle bodies and bits - £150
Megasquirt and LC1 + sensors = £310
Silicone hose & plug leads = £270

Total = £870

The rest could then be spent down the pub

I didnt mean it was budget, just that £1500 is the budget .

All the choices are so confusing!

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Originally posted by cd.thomson
I didnt mean it was budget, just that £1500 is the budget .

All the choices are so confusing!

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TOYOTA SUPRA 2JZGE 3.0 ENGINE

engine and box for less than £1500 and can be tuned to 1000bhp or somthing daft

Here you go Clicky. Has already been in a rwd 7 so mucho hardwork done. SVA friendly

thanks coozer, but I've just sold my 130hp pinto, dont really want to buy something less powerful!

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Originally posted by cd.thomson
thanks coozer, but I've just sold my 130hp pinto, dont really want to buy something less powerful!

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The S2000 package went for £2100... if it's genuine, then you've missed a bargain!

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Originally posted by big_wasa
yep the zetec will need a set of cams and some head work to get the 200bhp that the red top is going to give with tb's and a good exhaust.
So only gives the better bhp/£ at the top end of your budget.

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Originally posted by gregs
somebody might be able to say why it's not possible, but a Mk3 golf 16v (ABF) Gti engine gave 150bhp as standard, and was readilly mappable for 170bhp (£150).... tiger's belgian agent sells bell housings to mount VW engines to type 9 (pricey at ~£500) , and the engine was fitted N/S in passats so sumps not a problem (~£25).

Having driven a mk3 gti for a couple of years previously, it is a great engine so have never understood why no-body puts it into sevens? - is it coz it's too tall?

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Go Jap
2jzgte engine will be about £750 leaving half the budget to get it running.
its got 321BHP if its a uk engine and 280 i think if its JDM
its got to be worth it even if it costs alittle more than 1.5K... if at a later date you want more power they can take 800-900 BHP if you have the cash to burn

I currently have an XE sat on an engine stand in my garage

I would go XE, but then I am biased as that's what i have in mine, and have raced with for years etc etc.

£1500 will net you around 200hp and fitted in the car, as long as you do most of it yourself.

Have to say, if i were building something now, (though probably not a locost) the Volvo option makes a lot of sense.