I reckon a 2L with carbs will give 165bhp then a bit of tuning and lumpy carbs 200bhp is not far away.
Much cheaper than tuning a Pinto.
Steve
As you may or may not know, I have bought a Haynes Roadster project off of MDC of the Haynes Forum which included a mostly complete chassis with most
of the suspension bits and loads of bolts and fasteners etc. (and a very nice job he has done so far I should add)
What it also included was a Ford Pinto 2L engine with an RS2000 manifold and twin weber 40s. The engine as far as I know is basically stock and I have
no real idea what condition it is in internally.
Now my dilemma is that I was planning on buying 2L Zetec engine for the car as it seemed to be the easiest option as I have very little car engine
experience and I figured I could get a good amount of power with very little money or effort.
But now that I have this Pinto my question is to get say 160 HP which option is going to be the cheapest taking into account that I could probably
manage to strip and rebuild the pinto with the right tools but dont have any tools other than your usual spanners and socket set etc. and I dont
really know what I would need to do to get that sort of power out of a pinto. Also taking into account that I really like to look of the Pinto engine
when cleaned up with nicely polished intake and carbs etc.
Basically I guess I am asking how hard it is to get 160hp or so out of the pinto compared with getting the same out of a zetec without involving an
engine machine shop or if I do without costing an arm and a leg.
Also if I did go with a Zetec what could I get for the Pinto plus the Manifold and carbs?
My 1.8 zetec with 2L cams and ZX9R carbs gave 155bhp.
I reckon a 2L with carbs will give 165bhp then a bit of tuning and lumpy carbs 200bhp is not far away.
Much cheaper than tuning a Pinto.
Steve
Nothing you cant do at home.
For 160bhp you would be looking at the following mods:
FR33 cam kit or equivalent (often come up on ebay) with vernier pulley
Basic head work which is doable at home. Open out the ports as detailed in Des Hamills book. Std sized valves.
Twin 40s will flow enough air for 160bhp with 36mm chokes (they are available or you could bore your current ones out in the lathe)
Thats about it to be honest. Electronic igntion would be a good idea, but not all that necessary. Your stock dizzy would need modifying to give you
enough advance at idle without giving too much at revs.
Everything after that would help, but give you no more power. E.g. lightened flywheel etc.
David
Still waiting for the first BEC comment.... 
Even easier is to leave it standard (worth taking the head off for a de-coke and new head gasket) and then use forced induction to get the power you
want. Its not complicated to achieve a turbo set-up! Lots of threads on turboing pinto's on www.turbosport.co.uk
Also, feel free to PM me, happy to have a chat if you would like!
[Edited on 2/3/09 by carpmart]
The Pinto itself wont be worth a great deal if it is standard, but the twin 40's / manifold, and the RS2000 bellhousing will both fetch good
money on ebay / here. Is the Pinto the better 205 block version?? This would be preferable if you do decide to look at tuning it to get around
160bhp.
With the limited tools and experience of rebuilding / tuning an engine though, i'd say go the Zetec route as Coozer says, with bike carbs and
megajolt. Saves you from all the "boat anchor in your car" jokes if nothing else which has got to be worth a few quid!! 
The boat anchor jokes are fun, just makes people cry with zetecs when you leave them behind with a pinto powered car
@ Coozer - That is what I originally thought but then I already have the Pinto so I have to add the cost of the Zetec on to the total cost. I guess a
decent second hand Zetec could be had for £150 or so?
@Flak monkey - I don't know if I would be up to porting the heads at home. I would probably screw that up. Are you saying that 160bhp is about
tops in the pinto without serious money?
@James - I am not even contemplating BEC. I want an easy to drive, torquey car with reverse.
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Originally posted by carpmart
Even easier is to leave it standard (worth taking the head off for a de-coke and new head gasket) and then use forced induction to get the power you want. Its not complicated to achieve a turbo set-up! Lots of threads on turboing pinto's on www.turbosport.co.uk
Also, feel free to PM me, happy to have a chat if you would like!
Once you get to 160-180bhp it starts getting expensive. But it will need head work.
Having said that big valve race heads come up on ebay regularly and go very cheaply!
David
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Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by carpmart
Even easier is to leave it standard (worth taking the head off for a de-coke and new head gasket) and then use forced induction to get the power you want. Its not complicated to achieve a turbo set-up! Lots of threads on turboing pinto's on www.turbosport.co.uk
Also, feel free to PM me, happy to have a chat if you would like!
Ah, that sounds interesting but what sort of money are we talking? Also how quick is the power available with a turbo and what sort of power for that money?
I suppose both Turbo chargers and super chargers can be fitted to a zetec too but dont superchargers require the compression ratio to be altered?
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by carpmart
Even easier is to leave it standard (worth taking the head off for a de-coke and new head gasket) and then use forced induction to get the power you want. Its not complicated to achieve a turbo set-up! Lots of threads on turboing pinto's on www.turbosport.co.uk
Also, feel free to PM me, happy to have a chat if you would like!
Ah, that sounds interesting but what sort of money are we talking? Also how quick is the power available with a turbo and what sort of power for that money?
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
I suppose both Turbo chargers and super chargers can be fitted to a zetec too but dont superchargers require the compression ratio to be altered?
I've had 5 zetecs recently,
No. 1 - 1.8 for £200, original SVA engine in my car.
No. 2 - 1.8 for 99p (ebay)
No. 3 - 1.8 for £10 (ebay)
No. 4 - 2L for nothing.... put the cams in No. 1
No. 5 - ST170 for £450 which is in the car now.
The last time I was in the salvage yard they had an R reg Mondeo and the bloke said "everything under the bonnet for £200 mate"
MOT failed 2L Mondeo in the yellow paper for £100 recently.
All cheap as chips, cheaper than keeping a Pinto going, they are ancient now and even the zetec was stopped 8 years ago now. Only the ST and RST
zetecs survived after that.
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Originally posted by carpmart
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by carpmart
Even easier is to leave it standard (worth taking the head off for a de-coke and new head gasket) and then use forced induction to get the power you want. Its not complicated to achieve a turbo set-up! Lots of threads on turboing pinto's on www.turbosport.co.uk
Also, feel free to PM me, happy to have a chat if you would like!
Ah, that sounds interesting but what sort of money are we talking? Also how quick is the power available with a turbo and what sort of power for that money?
A first stage turbo charged pinto can be accomplished quite cheaply. Common way is to use injection system of a Granada (got one of these £?), coupled to a Janspeed manifold (I sold a spare I had for £150 before Christmas) and a small turbo T3 size(£100ish), an intercooler off a cossie (£20) and some pipework (£50) and off you go!. In a light car, with a small turbo, any discernible lag is not very noticable. 0.5bar (7psi approx) is fine on standard internals. This should give you a genuine 150bhp and tons of torque!
The next stage is even more fun and the power you can get up to with 8valve pinto's is pretty astounding!
Like I say, drop me a PM if you are genuinely interested and I will talk you through what I have done (a bit different to above) and give you some pointers!
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Originally posted by coozer
I've had 5 zetecs recently,
No. 1 - 1.8 for £200, original SVA engine in my car.
No. 2 - 1.8 for 99p (ebay)
No. 3 - 1.8 for £10 (ebay)
No. 4 - 2L for nothing.... put the cams in No. 1
No. 5 - ST170 for £450 which is in the car now.
The last time I was in the salvage yard they had an R reg Mondeo and the bloke said "everything under the bonnet for £200 mate"
MOT failed 2L Mondeo in the yellow paper for £100 recently.
All cheap as chips, cheaper than keeping a Pinto going, they are ancient now and even the zetec was stopped 8 years ago now. Only the ST and RST zetecs survived after that.
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Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
The Pinto itself wont be worth a great deal if it is standard, but the twin 40's / manifold, and the RS2000 bellhousing will both fetch good money on ebay / here. Is the Pinto the better 205 block version?? This would be preferable if you do decide to look at tuning it to get around 160bhp.
With the limited tools and experience of rebuilding / tuning an engine though, i'd say go the Zetec route as Coozer says, with bike carbs and megajolt. Saves you from all the "boat anchor in your car" jokes if nothing else which has got to be worth a few quid!!
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Originally posted by Keith Weiland
Just had a look, the engine appears to be a 1970 model it has 20 on the block not 205 and also has 70HM6015B-A. Is it even worth messing with?
or is this getting confusing now? quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
The Pinto itself wont be worth a great deal if it is standard, but the twin 40's / manifold, and the RS2000 bellhousing will both fetch good money on ebay / here. Is the Pinto the better 205 block version?? This would be preferable if you do decide to look at tuning it to get around 160bhp.
With the limited tools and experience of rebuilding / tuning an engine though, i'd say go the Zetec route as Coozer says, with bike carbs and megajolt. Saves you from all the "boat anchor in your car" jokes if nothing else which has got to be worth a few quid!!
Just had a look, the engine appears to be a 1970 model it has 20 on the block not 205 and also has 70HM6015B-A. Is it even worth messing with?
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Originally posted by flak monkey
Thats antique that
Probably best going the zetec route....even better duratec
The ST170 engine is basically a zetec engine with VVT... in a kitcar unless you have the VVT working, i.e. you are running an ECU which can control it, you'll be looking around 130-140bhp (same as std 2 litre zetec)
David
[Ducks for cover]have you considered other engines? I picked up a 180 horse motor for 150 quid last night. there are a few cheaper ways to 200
hp[/Ducks for cover]
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Originally posted by carpmart
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
The Pinto itself wont be worth a great deal if it is standard, but the twin 40's / manifold, and the RS2000 bellhousing will both fetch good money on ebay / here. Is the Pinto the better 205 block version?? This would be preferable if you do decide to look at tuning it to get around 160bhp.
With the limited tools and experience of rebuilding / tuning an engine though, i'd say go the Zetec route as Coozer says, with bike carbs and megajolt. Saves you from all the "boat anchor in your car" jokes if nothing else which has got to be worth a few quid!!
Just had a look, the engine appears to be a 1970 model it has 20 on the block not 205 and also has 70HM6015B-A. Is it even worth messing with?
There is little difference in the blocks. The 20 is valued in historic racing circles and is worth a bit more than a 205 block (not that either is worth that much!)
[Edited on 2/3/09 by carpmart]
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Originally posted by liam.mccaffrey
[Ducks for cover]have you considered other engines? I picked up a 180 horse motor for 150 quid last night. there are a few cheaper ways to 200 hp[/Ducks for cover]
its a vovlo 5 cylinder, plenty torque @ 230 NM
you thought I was going to suggest a bike engine didn't you
Heh yup I did.
I would consider any Car engine as long as it doesn't cost too much or take too much work to fit to a ford transmission.
Fair enough, I never planned using a ford trans in the first place so it was never an issue for me
[Edited on 2/3/09 by liam.mccaffrey]
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
I would like to spend less than say £800 on the engine in total so I think the 2.0 zetec is probably my best best thinking about it. Could I possibly get nearer 200bhp with a zetec for 800 including the engine cost?