If you run a ballast resistor coil at 12v it will overheat
So i finally got the Dutton home, and astarted playing - as you do.
The engine would not start no matter what i tried. New Points, condenser, plugs, leads and distributor cap helped, but it still wouldnt fire
correctly, almost like it was misfiring. Its not a fuel problem as originally suspected, and compressions tests have identified a 25psi drop on
cylinders 3 & 4 highlighting a possible head gasket failure or valve problem? Anyway....
Im at the stage now, where ill replace the coil, and if that doesnt work will look at taking the engine apart for a top end rebuild, and look at the
possibilities of putting the V6 in it....
Which brings me nicely to the next question;
Does anyone know what the length of a crossflow and gearbox are? I cant tell this unless i take the old one out, or jack the car up which i shouldnt
do at the moment because of a damaged shoulder.
I would like to try and avoid relocating the gear lever on the tunnel if possible, hence the question.
The next question, is what do i need to convert the 2.9 cologne V6 to carburettor? I have a megasquirt but carbs would be quicker to install.
Does a carburettor sit on the existing inlet manifold? I know ill need to plug the injector ports (maybe use injectors for water injection??) but i
need to know if i need a different inlet manifold.
Enough questions for one post...!
Try a squirt of brake cleaner or easistart down the carb when cranking , don't pull the manual choke out if it has one . Manual open an auto choke . It should fire up , if it doesn't you probably have ignition problems , plug leads on in the wrong order or incorrectly timed.
Take the gaiter/surround off the gear lever, you should be able to see the end of the gearbox through the hole, and see if any kind of extension has
ben fitted to the gear change, and where the gearbox finishes
John
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Originally posted by mr henderson
Take the gaiter/surround off the gear lever, you should be able to see the end of the gearbox through the hole, and see if any kind of extension has ben fitted to the gear change, and where the gearbox finishes
John
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Originally posted by rusty nuts
Try a squirt of brake cleaner or easistart down the carb when cranking , don't pull the manual choke out if it has one . Manual open an auto choke . It should fire up , if it doesn't you probably have ignition problems , plug leads on in the wrong order or incorrectly timed.
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Originally posted by MakeEverything
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Originally posted by rusty nuts
Try a squirt of brake cleaner or easistart down the carb when cranking , don't pull the manual choke out if it has one . Manual open an auto choke . It should fire up , if it doesn't you probably have ignition problems , plug leads on in the wrong order or incorrectly timed.
Thanks rusty. Ive already ruled out Fuelling as the issue. It is ignition. Leads are in order, and Points, Condenser and timing is good. Coil is next for replacement.
[Edited on 24/5/09 by MakeEverything]
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You have tested for a good spark?
Does anyone know what the length of a crossflow and gearbox are? I cant tell this unless i take the old one out, or jack the car up which i shouldnt
do at the moment because of a damaged shoulder.
4 speed or 5 speed ?
If your coil is getting hot, then the car cuts out and wont start for 5 mins, then id say your coil is breaking down when it gets hot... thus it will start again when it cools down 5 mins later
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Originally posted by Davey D
If your coil is getting hot, then the car cuts out and wont start for 5 mins, then id say your coil is breaking down when it gets hot... thus it will start again when it cools down 5 mins later
When it cuts out, have you tried immediately testing for a good spark?
Trying to deduce faults rather than actually testing will often lead you up blind alleys.
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Originally posted by mr henderson
When it cuts out, have you tried immediately testing for a good spark?
Trying to deduce faults rather than actually testing will often lead you up blind alleys.
Are you sure it's a 12v coil and not one that should run with a ballast resistor?
If you run a ballast resistor coil at 12v it will overheat
Took my xflkow out a few weeks back so you're welcome to borrow bits to see if it helps, im only 40 miles from you, have pertronix electronic
ignition/coil etc all sitting about at the moment until I get round to selling them.
Lights failing a bit so excuse the piccie but the length is what you're after (mm):
Fantastic, Thanks Flibble. Whats the spec of the engine and how much would you want for the lot?
Ill U2U my details.
rich.
Hehe, I have no idea what it's worth to be honest and I'd hate to over (or under!) price it.
I've got receipts of scary amounts from 500 miles ago for a 135bhp vulcan package + shiney new DHLA45 carb (2z40's wouldn't fit in the
engine bay so it mat well be under 135hp a bit), the pertronix kit that I bought and fitted and although I started it up I never drove it after
that.
I drove it home 35miles from where I bought it and got all excited about fitting a Saab engine as TBH I wasn't impressed by the xflow at all,
and, if indeed it does have near 135hp it didnt feel fast at all, I have spent 99% of my life riding fireblades/gixers etc so maybe I was hoping for
to much?
Anyway - if anyone has any suggestions on what it's worth, or if you just want to borrow bits - just post 
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Originally posted by flibble
Hehe, I have no idea what it's worth to be honest and I'd hate to over (or under!) price it.
I've got receipts of scary amounts from 500 miles ago for a 135bhp vulcan package + shiney new DHLA45 carb (2z40's wouldn't fit in the engine bay so it mat well be under 135hp a bit), the pertronix kit that I bought and fitted and although I started it up I never drove it after that.
I drove it home 35miles from where I bought it and got all excited about fitting a Saab engine as TBH I wasn't impressed by the xflow at all, and, if indeed it does have near 135hp it didnt feel fast at all, I have spent 99% of my life riding fireblades/gixers etc so maybe I was hoping for to much?
Anyway - if anyone has any suggestions on what it's worth, or if you just want to borrow bits - just post
Im contemplating a v6 transplant too! I just need to take some measurements to see if I can fit it all in!
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Im contemplating a v6 transplant too! I just need to take some measurements to see if I can fit it all in!
A Ford 2.9 Cologne V6 from a Scorpio will go into the book chassis. It is tight around the bulkhead, but not impossible.
I can take some measurements of the engine and T9 box if you like?
OR - if i dont go for it, ill have the whole lot up for sale!
Im going for a mazda 2.5!
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Originally posted by prawnabie
Im going for a mazda 2.5!
I fitted an essex v6 to a phaeton 2 a while ago. It was a 'y'reg, and that was a suffix, not a prefix
John
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Originally posted by mr henderson
I fitted an essex v6 to a phaeton 2 a while ago. It was a 'y'reg, and that was a suffix, not a prefix
John
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Originally posted by MakeEverything
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Originally posted by mr henderson
I fitted an essex v6 to a phaeton 2 a while ago. It was a 'y'reg, and that was a suffix, not a prefix
John
So how did it go John? What were the areas that required changing (If any)?
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Originally posted by mr hendersonWould I use an essex or cologne v6 now? No, AFAIC, the Zetec 2 ltr is cheap, plentiful and easy to fit, it has 4 of what the v6 has 6 of, and only needs one exhaust system.
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Originally posted by MakeEverything
But the V6 has more torque which is 50% of the attraction to be honest. I hear what youre saying about the exhausts though. This could be a real pain in the arse.
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It's probably weighs in at 50% more than the Zetec as well. The old Ford V6's were truly the king of boat anchors, something that Pinto's could only aspire to.
Essex V6 was a truly appalling heap of junk
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Originally posted by britishtrident
Essex V6 was a truly appalling heap of junk
Well, ive put in the borrowed Coil (12V not ballast) and the car fired straight up. Runs a treat, and i even drove it around the block. Got it into
3rd, and reverse works ok too. Big smiles now!!¬ 
All i need to do now, is make sure it doesnt burst into flames because of the wiring! 
[Edited on 25/5/09 by MakeEverything]
Ive jsut got back from a 5 mile run out around town. Everyone i drove by looked busy (visitors cars outside etc) so rather than bother them with the
new toy story, we drove on!
The car drove very well, albeit a little rattly. The engine runs quite sweet but is very underpowered for what im after. Maybe that 1600 replacement
should go in before considering the V6.....
Anyway, Quite a nice dusk run in a quiet town.
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Originally posted by MakeEverything
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It's probably weighs in at 50% more than the Zetec as well. The old Ford V6's were truly the king of boat anchors, something that Pinto's could only aspire to.
Its basic physics that something that is made of heavier material and is bigger will weigh more, but with more power than a pinto (and some zetecs) balances the equasion.
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
In terms of straight line performance I agree, but in terms of handling a very heavy engine won't do the car any favours.
So, i took the car for a hoon today to try and pinpoint the rattles and get them all listed and in order of priority to fix....
...Then the throttle cable broke!
Managedto take the choke cable off the carb and lash it up to the throttle linkage so that i could use it as a hand throttle to get me home. Tried to
get aMk1 cable from the local motor factors and do you think they had the correct one??? No.
Cant find any Mk1 Escort parts suppliers anywhere that are of any use. Everything is geared around the Mk3+.
Looks like ill have to modify one.
I replaced my throttle cable with a cable from the local bike shop. Cost me something like £2.50
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Originally posted by scudderfish
I replaced my throttle cable with a cable from the local bike shop. Cost me something like £2.50
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Originally posted by MakeEverything
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
In terms of straight line performance I agree, but in terms of handling a very heavy engine won't do the car any favours.
It depends on Suspension and Tyres.
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Originally posted by mr henderson
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Originally posted by MakeEverything
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
In terms of straight line performance I agree, but in terms of handling a very heavy engine won't do the car any favours.
It depends on Suspension and Tyres.
You can't cancel the effects of physics just with the suspension and tyres.
Regardless of those things, a light car with a comparatively heavy engine is not going to be able to turn in as well as a similar car with a lighter engine.
I know you are keen to use the V6, and it's your car to do with as you please. but you would be better off with a zetec or virtually any of the engines that get discussed on here
John
id upgrade to 900 or 1200ccs myself.
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Originally posted by JoelP
id upgrade to 900 or 1200ccs myself.
nowt wrong with the old ford v6.
those who haven't used one tend to forget how deceptively good they actually are, a classic case of terrible on paper but actually good in
practise!
yep they weigh about the same as titanic, but a dutton ain't light anyway. I have certainly seen a ford v6 in a dutton and it was a nice
installation.
the v6 is of similar length to a crossflow, actually pretty small.
carb wont just fit onto 2.9, but you can get a carb manifold for a 2.9, or just fit a 2.8 instead and use a 2.3 carb inlet manifold.
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Originally posted by NS Dev
nowt wrong with the old ford v6.
those who haven't used one tend to forget how deceptively good they actually are,
I'm certainly not claiming that the old v6 will win any awards or indeed be particularly fast, but they are ridiculously reliable, can be pretty
much chucked in, have a great torque spread (actually better than most modern multivalve v6 engines of same capacity) and cost nothing.
I wouldn't choose one for the same reasons as you, but they are not the crap that most people say they are.
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Originally posted by NS Dev
I wouldn't choose one for the same reasons as you, but they are not the crap that most people say they are.
Essex v6 was a very very rough nasty unreliable overweight heap of manure. The first ones in the Mk4 Zodiac were lucky to see 20,000 miles without a
major rebuild -- fibre timing wheels, big ends, head gaskets, flywheels.
Thing got better after about 1969 but not that much better.
The Essex V6 was actually quite a bit heavier than the Ford V8s used in the Sunbeam Tiger and AC 289 Cobra
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Originally posted by NS Dev
I'm certainly not claiming that the old v6 will win any awards or indeed be particularly fast, but they are ridiculously reliable, can be pretty much chucked in, have a great torque spread (actually better than most modern multivalve v6 engines of same capacity) and cost nothing.