Guys,
Im planning a new build and im looking at putting in a real cheap old engine to get through IVA and the swap it out for a bike engine.
I have been on here long enough to have heard the reaction of many to this concept but im coming round to the idea now.
I know it will be more work in the long run but i dont want to have to faff with emissions and i need to buy myself some time financially before i can
commit to completing a bike installation.
So what im after is ideas of a cheap small easy to wire rwd enigne / gbox combo.
I wil be building the car with the swap in mind so a sacraficial side pannel will be installed that that can be removed after the test and the
original pannel fitted back on and exhaust hole cut out, any lower engine mounts will be put in where possible, centre beaing mounts etc, all to
lessen the work after the IVA test.
Ideally i would like an engine choice that does not need a hole cut in the bonnet for a carb.
Thanks guys
Col
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
Fit a Sierra engine & Gearbox driving through a Sierra Diff (3.62) if poss. Then keep the diff and fit a bike engine at a later date in a cradle.
This goes straight in to your chassis and connects to Sierra diff with the aid of a modified prop and adaptor plate for the engine output. Simples
What about an A series? or are these getting expensive these days?
Mike
smallblock 1.6 8v vauxhal engine with a manta/omega box.
Need about 5 wires to run, amke around 100bhp
Plenty have passed SVA with bike engines and it seems such a huge amount of work to do the transplant later on just for the sake of sorting the emmissions and noise. I recon if you really want to look at fitting a pre Aug 95 engine in order to get simpler emmissions levels to meet, then a CBR1000 or early ZX9R engine would surely be a better option. I wouldnt mind betting this sort of engine complete with electrics and maybe clocks could be had for well under £500, but would then enable a much simpler conversion to a later engine to be done. The loom can be kept to an almost modular format with all the lights and so on seperate to the engine loom, with only 3 or 4 connections to make between the two. The prop can then remain the same, with the only real concern being the reverse requirements.
Would something like this fit the bill?
Cheep not so nasty engine.
Nick
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Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
Make sure the engine is old enough to warrant not being tested for Emissions at MoT.
Still... It will need to get thru the emission test for the IVA, so it needs to be in reasonable condition to do that.
I like your strategy.
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Originally posted by alistairolsen
smallblock 1.6 8v vauxhal engine with a manta/omega box.
Need about 5 wires to run, amke around 100bhp
as said, many have passed with a bike engine.
if you want cheap and nasty, you can pick up running ford crossflows for small money.
advantage over pinto is that is is smaller, lespecially heightwise so you won't need to modify bonnet, lighter and exhaust leaves on same side as
bike engine.
... and them come in under 15495 cc in size so you can be paying less tax and prboably insurcance whilst saving up for the BEC transplant.
[Edited on 11/6/09 by 02GF74]
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Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
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Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
I resemble that remark!
I agree small block 8v vauxhalls are cheap as chips but manta boxes and sumps are now getting expensive.
The old ford crossflow route is hard to beat as they are cheap as chips to do and you could fit any 1.1, 1.3 or 1.6 model. Mounts are very easy to
source as this was the book car. But I would use IRS from a sierra.
As for bile engines, the BIG problem to somve with a small budget is the reverse gear. Si CEC pre IVA and BEC after sounds like a very fair
idea...
Good luck anyway
Belive it or not.... I use cataclean .. It reduces petrol and or diesel emissions by up to 60%
I just mot'd my old w reg 2.0hdi .. same cat since i bought and welded it up years ago..
1 bottle of cataclean .. run it for a few miles... presto.. pass....
I intend to drop a bottle in if i ever get to iva... i have total faith in it.. :p
Oh .. gotta put my 2.4 petrol previa 15mpg through this month.. with dodgy mass air flow sensor.. not worried.. got a bottle on the table here ready
for that..
www.cataclean.com i get mine from GSF brum unless you can find or order some in at your local factor...
remember.... i 'only' use it on the day of the mot.. tc...
PS.
first use..
My 9 yr old 2.0hdi failed emissions big style... put bottle in .. re test.. easy pass..
previa 2.4. failed..told i need expensive airbox - mass airflow unit .. put bottle in.. re test easy pass..
[Edited on 11/6/09 by johnemms]
893 fireblade, made in 1992 so misses the emmisions rules and will cost circa £400 for a good one.
Job done, and it will be quick and require little work to upgrade.
As said, the bike engine pre IVA is a no go due to the need for a reverse.
I suggest finding or borrowing whatever Ford stuff you can get your hands on. It's been fitted to everything and anything so any problems are
long gone.
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Originally posted by x_flow57
Would something like this fit the bill?
Cheep not so nasty engine.
Nick
1.8 CVH?? people don't seem to like them, I have one can't see the problem (it is locost after all!) each to there own! Without an
airfilter I have managed to get it under the bonnet without a cut out (had to machine inlet manifold though....
Personaly I would rather get a reverse and go for what you want rather than making even more work for yourself.. Also not having a reverse might cause
insurance trouble if you had to have this fitted for IVA?? I would check this out first..
Dan
[Edited on 11/6/09 by Bluemoon]
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Originally posted by x_flow57
Would something like this fit the bill?
Cheep not so nasty engine.
Nick
Don't ignore the Reliant Robin 850 engine & gearbox as a 'mule' to get the car through IVA.
Light alloy and small, cheap, easy to obtain and a suitable age.
I vote for crossflow, visible smoke test only for the life of the car 
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Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
Sea Captains like myself take offence at you mocking my boat anchor! 
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Originally posted by Humbug
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Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
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Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
I resemble that remark!
So you're cheap and nasty as well? or do you resent the remark?
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Originally posted by Humbug
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Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
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Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
I resemble that remark!
So you're cheap and nasty as well? or do you resent the remark?
)
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Originally posted by James
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Originally posted by Humbug
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Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
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Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
I resemble that remark!
So you're cheap and nasty as well? or do you resent the remark?
It was a joke Simon!
Not a typo!
Surely don't you need to find out what side of the chassis your bike engine exhaust is going to exit on, then make sure that the IVA engine you
use has the same exhaust side.
Personally I'd go for something small (ie easy to take in and out) and old.
Reliant robin engine is quite a good idea... hits both of these...
just depends on the exhaust exit.
Reliant engine is getting harder to find, that's why the 750mc have allowed Fiat FIRE 1108's as an alternative choice.
And you'ld also have to get one with a reverse otherwise you wouldn't exactly be getting round the BEC problem!!!
What about a 1275cc A series as used in the MG Midget etc?
IIRC, the block is the same as the mini???
A series was fitted to morris marina's and morris itals (marina with a face lift). So a RWD box should be cheapish to source but it is always
going to be hard to be beat the smooth gear-change on a ford box.
btw, was the robin engine the same as what was in the imp. The old racing imps were pumping out of 100bhp/litre back in the 60's when rallycross
was televised!!!!
Good God! You definitely do NOT want a Marina gerabox, finding the cogs was like stirring porridge 
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btw, was the robin engine the same as what was in the imp.
I have a rebuilt 1.8 pinto for sale if you are interested?
Check the for sale section.
Cheers,
David
If you're after something chepa and cheerful early enough to miss the emmissions, have a look at 316/318 Beemers/190 Mercs with a carb? Saying
that, most of them suffer with carb issues!
Vauxhall Carlton 1.8/2.0? About the only old-ish RWD that nobody cares about...and the basic bits allow an easy upgrade to XE etc power later on...
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Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
Thanks for all your advice / input guys.
Im stuck now as to whether to look for a whole car to pull the engine/box and electrics from or to go the ebay / other bargains route and look for
seperate engine choice and bolt on gearbox/electrics.
Flak thans for the tip off but your engine is too much money for what i want, i basically neet something to be able to move forward under its own
power and then i will be throwing it away.
I aint got the money to buy something decent enough to use for any length of time because i want to go BEC ultimately.
it really does need to be a
"one hit wonder"
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Originally posted by iank
Reliant engine is getting harder to find, that's why the 750mc have allowed Fiat FIRE 1108's as an alternative choice.
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Originally posted by minitici
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Originally posted by iank
Reliant engine is getting harder to find, that's why the 750mc have allowed Fiat FIRE 1108's as an alternative choice.
er - here you go
15 Reliant Engines
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Originally posted by 02GF74
... and them come in under 15495 cc in size so you can be paying less tax and prboably insurcance whilst saving up for the BEC transplant.
Must be a bit thin on the bores to get that capacity!
Ninehigh - 13/6/09 at 05:43 PMQ plate? Visible smoke for the test...
Or just wait until you can get the bike engine