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Some engine weights, inc duratec and XE
flak monkey - 9/9/09 at 11:55 AM

A few people have been asking for a comparison of engine weights

These weights are for bare engines, block, head assembly complete with flywheel but no clutch!

Standard Duratec 85kg (less clutch/alt) with lightweight flywheel

Standard K-Series 89kg (less clutch/alt)

Standard Vauxhall XE 110kg

AFAIK the XE and Zetecs are similar in weight?

[Edited on 9/9/09 by flak monkey]


CraigJ - 9/9/09 at 12:05 PM

Is the duratec an all alloy block/head? Quite surprised by that weight.


flak monkey - 9/9/09 at 12:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CraigJ
Is the duratec an all alloy block/head? Quite surprised by that weight.


Yep certainly is.

With std dual mass flywheel the weight is 92 kg

[Edited on 9/9/09 by flak monkey]


hughpinder - 9/9/09 at 12:11 PM

I weighed my 2.0 zetec silvertop with all the standard mondeo fittings, complete with starter, my engine mounts (originals removed), alternator, clutch/flywheel, MTX75 gearbox(which is quite a lump on its own), driveshafts, instruments and engine loom, all rubber hoses that fit to the engine and the water header tank, engine and gearbox oil E.g. as I will use it in my midi. No inlet or exhaust manifold though, came in at 188 kg using a pair of salter scales. The scales agree on my weight (87 kg) to within 1 kg of the reading I get on the 'proper' scales at my local leisure centre.

I remember vaguely that the 2.0 Zetec E is 18KG heavier than a duratec 2.0, but can't remember where I got that info.

Regards
Hugh


alistairolsen - 9/9/09 at 12:15 PM

an XE is not by any means 110kg. Perhaps as a bare engine with no manifolds or ancillaries!!

I weighed the one I put in my corsa with both manifolds, loom, ecu, pot flywheel (3.2kg heavier than the lighter one) starter, alt, belts and pulleys fitted and it was 155kg.


cd.thomson - 9/9/09 at 12:16 PM

the XE is 120kg fully prepped as far as I'm aware, re: QED motorsport.

or theres always:


flak monkey - 9/9/09 at 12:19 PM

All those weights are BARE engines. No ancils or clutches. Just the block, head and flywheel.

David


alistairolsen - 9/9/09 at 12:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
All those weights are BARE engines. No ancils or clutches. Just the block, head and flywheel.

David


sorry, realised that after I posted, doh!


blakep82 - 9/9/09 at 12:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
the XE is 120kg fully prepped as far as I'm aware, re: QED motorsport.

or theres always:




i bet thats nice and cheap


alistairolsen - 9/9/09 at 12:40 PM

about 3k new iirc and they only did a limited run of them.

Not a chance you'd catch me using one and risking the tens of thousands in a proper build on an alloy block of unproven strength.


omega0684 - 9/9/09 at 12:55 PM

you forgot to do the pinto!


theconrodkid - 9/9/09 at 01:12 PM

you forgot to do the pinto!


not a pair of scales made that could weigh that


blakep82 - 9/9/09 at 02:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
you forgot to do the pinto!


not a pair of scales made that could weigh that


well, the queen mary 2 is 148528 tonnes...

i wonder how they weigh ships?


alistairolsen - 9/9/09 at 02:21 PM

They don't, one knows the underwater volume from the drawings and the draught marks and then using the density of the water in which shes lying one can calculate the mass by Archimedes principle


cd.thomson - 9/9/09 at 02:23 PM

one's a clever bugger


alistairolsen - 9/9/09 at 02:34 PM

One's a Naval Architect


cd.thomson - 9/9/09 at 02:56 PM

thats the thing about One, I hear they do every job going, and have a degree in every subject.

If One doesn't know something, theres always another One who does.

Very very useful


jimgiblett - 9/9/09 at 03:38 PM

But a pinto won't float

- Jim


CraigJ - 9/9/09 at 03:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jimgiblett
But a pinto won't float

- Jim


Thats why its known as a boat anchor.


Doofus - 9/9/09 at 04:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
They don't, one knows the underwater volume from the drawings and the draught marks and then using the density of the water in which shes lying one can calculate the mass by Archimedes principle


So what you are saying is we should throw all the Pintos in the drink and measure how much the tide comes in....

Then we know how light they are


blakep82 - 9/9/09 at 05:58 PM

ah, i was hoping for some kind of dry dock weigh bridge


mangogrooveworkshop - 9/9/09 at 07:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Doofus
quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
They don't, one knows the underwater volume from the drawings and the draught marks and then using the density of the water in which shes lying one can calculate the mass by Archimedes principle


So what you are saying is we should throw all the Pintos in the drink and measure how much the tide comes in....

Then we know how light they are




Fantastic


I got a Zetec delivered to my house a few days ago and FOOK ME its heavy....against a bike engine.

What is the differential between the crossflow weight to Zetec weight.


MikeR - 9/9/09 at 08:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
I got a Zetec delivered to my house a few days ago and FOOK ME its heavy....against a bike engine.

What is the differential between the crossflow weight to Zetec weight.


Somewhere between "Ow" and "Owww Owww fuulming heck ow"

(aka i managed to knock my zetec off my build trolley and 'catch' it with my leg)


MikeRJ - 9/9/09 at 09:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
What is the differential between the crossflow weight to Zetec weight.


Not very much, the zetec is something like 10-15kg heavier IIRC.

Had to help a friend move some stuff in his garage a while back and he has a zetec ready for his Mk2 Escort. The two of us lifted it and I was surprised at how light it felt, though it didn't have a flywheel on it.

[Edited on 9/9/09 by MikeRJ]


graememk - 9/9/09 at 10:38 PM

Eureka moment from paul there... your not going to run into town naked are you ?

quote:
Originally posted by Doofus
quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
They don't, one knows the underwater volume from the drawings and the draught marks and then using the density of the water in which shes lying one can calculate the mass by Archimedes principle


So what you are saying is we should throw all the Pintos in the drink and measure how much the tide comes in....

Then we know how light they are



02GF74 - 10/9/09 at 09:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
What is the differential between the crossflow weight to Zetec weight.


Not very much, the zetec is something like 10-15kg heavier IIRC.



hmmmm, maybe a bit more than that.

when I lifed a zetec block and crank, my eyes were popping out my head but a crossflow block, crank, rods, pistons and lightened flywheel was not so bad..... still heavy mind.


MikeRJ - 10/9/09 at 10:01 AM

This website reckons the difference is only 20lbs which is only 9kg.

It's hard for me to compare since there were two of us lifting the engine into the back of a transit, but I can remember being very surprised at how light it was. OTOH I had to lift my xflow off the bench where I rebuilt it and onto the floor since I couldn't get in with my engine lifter. That was really hard work, especially when my T-shirt caught on part of the engine! All I could do was keep lowering it until the T-shirt ripped; pretty stupid behaviour really as it could have really screwed my back.