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Ford gearbox rebuild guide?
jps - 15/2/13 at 04:25 PM

Does anyone know where i would find an appropriate workshop manual to help me do a simple overhaul of a Type 3 gearbox? I'm really struggling to find any sort of information at all to help me. Bascially I just want to replace all the seals and gaskets - not least because there is a leak on the oil seal at the diff end of the box.

A LCB did recently respond to a similar post when I thought I had a type-9 box, but i've since updated my gearbox identification skills and can only assume the type 3 and type 9 may be different in some ways...

ALSO - From looking at the Type 9 workshop manual I did get sight of it seems there are 'special' Ford tools for removing some bits and pieces. Are they easily make-able, or is there a source of these tools out there somewhere?

Google is really not turning up any useful info for me and the Haynes manual for the Sierra skips straight past the gearbox like it doesn't exist in a motorcar!!

Trollyjack - 15/2/13 at 07:50 PM

Acording to the Burton site the type 3 box was fitted to these cars below

Taken from Linky


4 speed single rail version of the Ford 2000E gearbox. Cast iron maincase with alloy tail housing. 7/8” x 20 spline input shaft. Fitted in:

Ford Cortina Mk2
Ford Cortina Mk3 1.3 / 1.6 / 1.6GT
Ford Cortina Mk4 / Mk5 1.3, 1.6 (not GT)
Ford Lotus Cortina 69-
Ford Capri Mk1 / Mk2 / Mk3 1.6 OHC
Ford Capri Mk1 -8/72 1.6 OHV
Ford Capri Mk1 2.0 V4
Ford Sierra 1.6

Try a Haynes manual for one of the above

I got quite alot of info for the type 2 from a Haynes manual for the MK2 Escort

jps - 15/2/13 at 07:56 PM

I've got the Sierra Haynes manual and it basically just says 'gearboxes are complicated' and skips to the next bit...

I'll see if i can find a Cortina or Capri Haynes manual anywhere...

AdrianH - 15/2/13 at 08:06 PM

Try right clicking on this link and save.

Adrian

http://www.tamarisktechnicals.com/Haynespdf.zip

This is for a type 9 B and N (B was 4 speed)
I know it is not what you are after but If it can help, great!

Or it may give an insight.

[Edited on 15-2-13 by AdrianH]

jps - 21/2/13 at 08:46 AM

Thanks to the tipoff from Trolleyjack I can confirm that a Haynes manual for a Mk1 Capri 1300/1600 covers the 'Type 3' gearbox that I have in my donor Sierra. Unlike the Sierra manual which doesn't cover manual gearboxes at all...!

Also worth knowing, after bidding on a Capri manual on eBay and loosing out despite going up to £8, I found one via Amazon for 4 pence + £2.80p&p...

Paul Turner - 21/2/13 at 10:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jps

but i've since updated my gearbox identification skills and can only assume the type 3 and type 9 may be different in some ways...



The type 3 and type 9 are totally different gearboxes, nothing in common, the visual differences are easy to spot even from the moon, too many to list.

The type 3 dates from the late 60's and was fitted to relatively low powered cars (1300's and 1600's) like Cortina's, Capri's and some Sierra's. It was never fitted to Escorts.

Type 9 dates form the early 80's and was fitted to Capri's, Sierra's and Granada's of all engine sizes.
It was never fitted to Escorts.

Forgetting the external differences the single main difference is all type 3's are 4 speed and all type 9's are 5 speed.

jps - 21/2/13 at 10:42 AM

... My error - I meant Type E and Type 3 must be different. Once I realised Type 9 were only 5 speeds i initially thought i had an E, although I quickly realised that it was unlikely I had a 'rocket box' despite the fact lots of people refers to all Type E 'boxes as 'rocket'...

Paul Turner - 21/2/13 at 11:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jps
... My error - I meant Type E and Type 3 must be different. Once I realised Type 9 were only 5 speeds i initially thought i had an E, although I quickly realised that it was unlikely I had a 'rocket box' despite the fact lots of people refers to all Type E 'boxes as 'rocket'...


The single main visual difference between a type E and a type 3 is the lid. On the Type E its flat (like a type 9), on a type 3 its raised.

The "rocket" name arose in the late 70's when Ford produced the "X pack" homologation kit for the RS2000 Mk2 Escort. Part of that kit was a close ratio helical cut gearset for the type E box used in the RS2000 which they called the "rocket". After that all type E's were referred to as rockets by enthusiasts but in truth very few true rocket boxes were actually made, I have only ever seen two in the 35 years or so since they were introduced.

jps - 21/2/13 at 12:20 PM

quote:

The single main visual difference between a type E and a type 3 is the lid. On the Type E its flat (like a type 9), on a type 3 its raised.


I'll have to take a picture of mine and post it. I'd describe the lid of mine as 'flat' (so like an E from your description), but the extension with the gear lever in it has several gaps in it - like the Type 3 in the pic on Burton Power, whereas the Type E doesn't have those gaps...

Paul Turner - 21/2/13 at 12:49 PM

Link to a picture of the type 3, http://www.burtonpower.com/tuning-guides/tuning-guide-pages/ford-type-3-gearbox-guide.html note that the lid is help on by 4 (I think) or 6 bolts and the lid is raised but pretty flat on the top surface.

Link to a picture of the type E, http://www.burtonpower.com/tuning-guides/tuning-guide-pages/ford-type-e-gearbox-guide.html note that the lid is held on with 10 bolts and is pressed with raised and low parts.