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Pinto vs Cosworth size
Jonte - 27/5/05 at 10:43 AM

I´ve got a standard 2.0i 100bhp pinto in my Indy now, but I wan´t to have something more fun under the bonnet

So my question is. Should I tune the Pinto or can I replace it with a Cosworth engine?

The thing is that I don´t know anything about the 4 cylinder Cosworth engine.
- Will I need to make new engine mounts?
- Is the exhaust on the same side as the Pinto?
- Does it fit my Type9 gearbox?
- Anyone have the measures of the engine (wxhxd)?

and so on.....

[Edited on 27-5-05 by Jonte]


ChrisGamlin - 27/5/05 at 10:47 AM

I think the bottom ends externally are pretty similar, and I seem to recall that its actually possible to put a Cossie head on a Pinto block, although Im not sure how easy that is. Have a google for "Pintworth" which is what they seem to be nicknamed


ChrisGamlin - 27/5/05 at 10:51 AM

On second thoughts forget google as it comes up with precisely zero, although there's some stuff on the WSCC about it here

Chris

[Edited on 27/5/05 by ChrisGamlin]


ned - 27/5/05 at 10:55 AM

are you thinking naturally aspirated or turbo?

a n/a will fit to a type 9, though for big power you'd need to fit a quaife kit. a turbo engine will require a t5 box to take the torque. n/a heads can be put on a pinto block, but best starting with a good 205 block i've heard, also bear in mind if the head is off a turbo engine it may need port work and cams to make it suitable to run n/a.

Ned.


ethomas - 27/5/05 at 10:55 AM

As far as I know, the Cosworth YB engine (from the Sierra and Escort) was based on the 205 pinto block, so it should be a perfect fit, bear in mind you will have a turbo to fit in there (unless you go NA) as well as the fuel injection gubbins but you should be fine.

You will want a T5 gearbox as well, I imagine the Cossie will melt a standard Type 9 in fairly short order.

Cheers,

Ed


jambojeef - 27/5/05 at 11:00 AM

I've got a pinto turbo manifold to fit a garrett t3 if you're interested? Its about to go on ebay but if you're interested....?

Geoff


andyb64 - 27/5/05 at 11:18 AM

The exhaust is on the drivers side of the engine. I don't know how that compares to a Pinto. I agree with Ned / ethomas about the gearbox you will need the T5 and compared to a T9 they are huge. I had to modify my tunnel to get one in. I can get you some measurements over the weekend if you like ( Engine and Gearbox )

Andy...


Jonte - 27/5/05 at 12:29 PM

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The exhaust is on the drivers side of the engine


That will be on your drivers side and on my passenger side
Sounds perfect


quote:

are you thinking naturally aspirated or turbo


I´m was thinking about a natural without turbo.


quote:

as well as the fuel injection gubbins but you should be fine


I´m driving with EFI today and even catalyst



quote:

I can get you some measurements over the weekend if you like ( Engine and Gearbox )


I´d love it


ned - 27/5/05 at 12:32 PM

for a naturally aspirated engien i'd stick with the type9 box, will save a lot of hassle of trying to fit a t5.

depending on he power output you may need to add a quaife or tran-x kit to uprate the internals, but afaik a n/a cosworth will make similar power to a tuned vauxhall xe, so should cope fine with a straight cut type9 gearbox.

Ned.


NS Dev - 27/5/05 at 12:34 PM

yep Ned, you are quite right.


DarrenW - 27/5/05 at 02:01 PM

I dont know what a cossie would cost you but there are options for a Pinto. Read this thread

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=23342

Dave talks of highly of a 2.2 pinto. Compares it favourably to a Zetec. Not a fortune for the work. Depends on the regs in your country tho' if you are allowed to modify engines or if you have to fit stock std lumps.


gazza285 - 27/5/05 at 02:59 PM

Why not fit the MT75 box? Yes its bigger than a Type 9, but has better ratios and can handle a lot more power, and if you get the right box it comes with a remote lever so you can put it where you want.


mookaloid - 27/5/05 at 03:34 PM

Tune the pinto - It's a hell of a lot easier than fitting a cosworth head. you can get some good power and still be reliable for a lot less cost and hassle.

In my humble opinion of course

Cheers

Mark


mad4x4 - 27/5/05 at 03:43 PM

What about building a ZVH Zetec bottom with CVH heads. Or go for a 2.0/1.8 zetec with fuel injection.


grusks - 27/5/05 at 03:56 PM

Having raced and built cossies and pinto power cars for years. Its no just as easy as popping a cossie head on a pinto block.

If your just putting on a blower and cossie head on a pinto block, theres compression - valve pockets in pistons - fueling - intercooling wiring and much more.

As for n/a to get good power your need reprofiled cams, redisgened combustion chambers, up the crompression, 48 or 50 to make decent power.

Ive had 290bhp from a na cossie but with a heavy bill at the end. Should of left the turbo on.


Pinto have a cast block and cossie have the same but with thicker walls (205 block)

4x4 Cossies have a even thicker block (200 block)


CairB - 27/5/05 at 08:25 PM

Jonte,

Have you considered a Duratec?

I fitted a 2.3 in my Indy mated to a heavy duty quaife close ratio type 9 box.

They are a relatively light engine. My Indy weighed in at 600kg at SVA with a pinto.

Last night when I checked the corner weights using Ikea bathroom scales, slightly round the clock, it weighed in at 533kg with just a couple of gallons of fuel down from SVA conditions.

Oh, and with throttle bodies you should see a bit more than 100bhp

Cheers,

Colin