Hi my name is Michael,

i'm actual rebuild my Westfield pre lit with an vx engine. I'm really intressted to build an seven car with an peugeot engine. Therefore I need an bellousing to fit the pug engine to an Type9 or an MT75 Gearbox. Or another rearwheel Gearbox.

Does someone have an Idea?

Cheers from Germany
Michael

There was a Sierra with a Peugeot diesel (2.3?) so presumably there was a bellhousing to fit between the engine and a Type 9. I think (but I'm not sure) that the Peugeot petrol and diesel engines had the same basic block - hopefully someone else can confirm

Hi i will say for definate that there is no one producing a bellhousing to go between the pug engine and a type 9. I was going to do a project with dave walker from ccc with the mi16 good engine but reaserch will find that they dont work to well in a seven type configuration. Same probs were also found on the smaller pug engines tried in the same configuration also.

cheers matt

The gearbox that you need is fitted to the sherpa van with the 1.9 XU diesel engine, the motor should bolt straight up to this.

but.......great engine though it is listen to Matt (procomp) he's been there and done that

Hi not exactly the right sort of gear ratios you would like for a light weight sports car tho and no real option for changing them. Altho it would get a car drivable.

cheers matt

Out of interest what are the main issues with fitting this lump to a 7 (beside availability of bellhousings)?

I know it will have to be dry sumped for sure, they suffer badly from oil surge even in the original transverse application.

Hi for some reason even with a good dry sump setup it kept falling apart. And with other engines more reliable but slightly heavier it was easier to change engine. No other real problems altho cant remember what was done about the starter as it was a long time a go when tried.

cheers matt

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Originally posted by MikeRJ
Out of interest what are the main issues with fitting this lump to a 7 (beside availability of bellhousings)?

I know it will have to be dry sumped for sure, they suffer badly from oil surge even in the original transverse application.

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It is a great engine, nobody was saying anything else, but for some reason they blow up a lot (probably as much as pug 8valve ones do which use the same bottom end).

A mate races a class 9 grasser with one in it and he has got through 3 engines in 8 meetings this season. (and that is transverse mid engined)

The head breathes very well due to having huge valves as std, but the engine is very tall, and would need dry sumping to even think about getting it into a 7, and even then would need bonnet alterations, where a VX XE16v does not.

It is a direct comparison in terms of power outputs to the VX (the pug may slightly have the legs on the VX) but the vx is more reliable. The pug is lighter, the vx stronger, take yer pick!

The pug is trickier to fit (bellhousings etc )

The desision is yours, its a very good engine, but bear in mind its weaknesses too before using it, that's all.

VX will give the same power with slightly more weight much more cheaply.

Hi i have a freind/customer who is running a 1.7 (zetec se ) out of the ford puma car that is currently pushing 240 bhp can't remember how much torque. This is also a verry light engine but not exactly cheap power. Does however get him in to the upto 1700 class for sprinting tho.

cheers matt

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Originally posted by WestieMichel
Lump? What is then the right engine for a kit car, read this page before you give me an answer http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/pug16v.htm

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Hi (on emeralds rollers) You will now how much dave likes them engines then.

cheers matt

Yep, D.W. described it as a "mad thing"! Power was still climbing at rev limit, so steel crank is needed, or apparently a cheaper alternative is the crank from the XUD diesel which is quite a bit stronger.

However, the "monkey metal" block flexes a lot at this kind of power apparently, so the owner is "weighing up" the pros and cons of using an iron block. Seems a shame to have to add so much weight though.

It's had a silly amount of head work, the cams have so much lift they were running off the followers, so had to machine head for larger followers, and then the cam lobes were hitting the cam cover! The navigator (his son) got out of the car looking very pale and not saying much after the first event

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Originally posted by WestieMichel
Lump? What is then the right engine for a kit car, read this page before you give me an answer http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/pug16v.htm

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Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? The Mi16 is a fantastic engine when it's running, probably one of the lightest production engines for it's capacity. On the face of it, it's a perfect engine for a Locost, light, powerfull and relatively inexpensive for a basic engine.

I simply wanted to know what issues procomp had noted with fitting it to an LSIS vehicle. As I said they do suffer from oil starvation problems. A friend of mine has been through 4 or 5 Mi16 engines in his tarmac rally 205, all killed by oil starvation despite various bafffled sumps. He has now spent the best part of £10k on his latest engine which is producing nearly 270bhp on Emeralds rollers.

"Lump" is just a slang word for engine in this context, I was not being derogatory.

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The Mi16 engine is loved by the boy racers, as it fits far too easily into the 205 with very little work.

If you look on eBlag for these units, they have usually come out of a 205 or other boy racer mobile.... Cranks are crap, big end bearings are made of chocolate, and oil problems are all too well publicised, as per most of the comments.

For the money you could throw at finding a good one, you can get 250bhp from a Zetec/K series/T series/Vauxhall lump, and have something that was easy to maintain at not unreasonable cost.

Just my 2p worth...

Cheers

Pete

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Originally posted by PeterWCranks are crap, big end bearings are made of chocolate,

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