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Toady1 - 19/10/06 at 12:32 PM

Hi people... whats needed for the conversion of a 2ltr black top zetec into a kit car? i know the water rail and pump needs changing, and the coil pack (and ecu is scrap) etc, but is there anything else needed, and roughly what is the cost of putting one in to replace the old pinto lump? thanks in advance.
Liam


zxrlocost - 19/10/06 at 12:40 PM

why dont you want Bike power anymore mate


Toady1 - 19/10/06 at 12:50 PM

I would love to keep my bike engine, but im just a bit worried about the reliabilty of it and the outright cost of it if it does break due to it not being a cheap bike engine in the 1st place. Also the conversion from cec to bec would take a lot more of my time (and money) in my garage which my mrs isnt happy about!

[Edited on 19/10/06 by Toady1]


zxrlocost - 19/10/06 at 01:07 PM

I can understand about part two

but I think bike engines are perfectly reliable

I ragged mine all day every day never missed a beat


Toady1 - 19/10/06 at 01:16 PM

mmm, i want to weigh up the cost of the two conversions before i commit to selling the blade lump (as its such a mint motor), as i would love to have the bec, but her indoors is giving me grief for spending too much time with the car and not her! lol!

so what i really want to know is (forgetting the price of the actual engines) how much will it cost to convert from the pinto to a 2ltr zetec, and the 954cc blade lump...

If theres not a lot in it, then ill keep the blade and go for bec!


MattCraneCustoms - 19/10/06 at 01:54 PM

I've just started a build from scratch which is using a '99 Blacktop 2.0l. I bought the engine on its own at (according to some) the expensive price of £250. I thought that was reasonable. The coil pack and plugs can be used, but I think you will need an EDIS module for £20? As far as I've found so far, on the blacktop, you can keep the waterpump but add a new idler pulley to make the belt run the correct way. Loads of threads on here refer to it.


MikeRJ - 19/10/06 at 01:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MattCraneCustomsThe coil pack and plugs can be used, but I think you will need an EDIS module for £20?


You would also need something to drive the EDIS module, such as a Megajolt Lite Jnr.


Tiger Super Six - 19/10/06 at 01:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MattCraneCustoms
As far as I've found so far, on the blacktop, you can keep the waterpump but add a new idler pulley to make the belt run the correct way. Loads of threads on here refer to it.


That is correct.


JohnN - 19/10/06 at 02:00 PM

There is no alternative pump for the blacktop, you need to provide a mechanism whereby the belt drives the existing pump the correct way, ie an idler wheel.
The alternative pump is an option for the previous silver top zetecs


Toady1 - 19/10/06 at 02:02 PM

so its sounding like the zetec is a much cheaper way to go about having more power then...

what is an edis module tho?


jon_boy - 19/10/06 at 02:20 PM

Electronic Distributor Ignition Something module I think. Can just run off a standalone ecu. try www.feoc.co.uk as they all use/play about with zetec's


Toady1 - 19/10/06 at 03:04 PM

do you need it if it runs megajolt etc?

how about conversion costs roughly?


MikeRJ - 19/10/06 at 04:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Toady1
do you need it if it runs megajolt etc?

how about conversion costs roughly?



EDIS (Electronic Distributorless Ignitiopn System) is a "dumb" ignition ECU. It reads a crank position sensor and drives two (or more) coils. However, it has no knowledge of where the correct place to provide a spark is, if left to it;s own devices it will default to a timing of 10 degrees BTDC at all engine speeds.

It needs a second ECU to tell it what advance is required, which may be Megajolt Lite Jnr, or Megasquirt if you want fuel injection as well.

The confusion arrises with the later versions of Megasquirt which can drive a ignition coil(s) directly without having to use the EDIS ECU.

Your options are:

1) Carbs for fueling, EDIS+Megajolt Lite Jnr ECU for ignition.

2) Megasquirt for fueling + EDIS for igntion.

3) Megasquirt V3.0 for fueling and ignition. Some small mods are required to Megasquirt to drive a pair of coils needed for distributorless operation.


dave1888 - 19/10/06 at 05:32 PM

Exhaust is on the opposite side and you might need a cat fitted?


zetec7 - 20/10/06 at 12:11 AM

As far as ignition goes, you can do without the EDIS module, megajot, etc. entirely if you wish. I'm using a 2.0l Zetec, using a complete ignition from quad4rods.com. They modify your lower front pulley (these are all the same on Zetecs, as I understand, so you could ship them a spare while you do other stuff on your motor), and they send back a complete ignition system. Cost? Approx. 150 quid ($315 USD). And it uses off-the-shelf GM parts! Beautifully made stuff, too - a CNC-machined pickup that bolts on perfectly.....


zetec7 - 20/10/06 at 12:14 AM

Oh...and by the way... a Zetec on this ignition system holds a land speed record at Bonneville - guess it works, huh? With this setup (only 4 wires to connect, one of which is the tacho sender), you only have to worry about carbs, and no mapping, etc. - it's plug 'n play...


super7 - 20/10/06 at 09:26 AM

quote:
Originally posted by JohnN
There is no alternative pump for the blacktop, you need to provide a mechanism whereby the belt drives the existing pump the correct way, ie an idler wheel.
The alternative pump is an option for the previous silver top zetecs


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