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How hot does a head get...??
PeterW - 12/1/07 at 08:23 PM

OK

Need an answer, preferably technically correct, to a question about head temperatures.

How hot does the inlet face of a pinto head get...? I know some of the Rovers use a plastic manifold, and I may have a way to produce limited runs of injected/cast plastic manifolds, but only if I can get the right material for the temperature.

So, anyone know...??

Cheers

Pete


macnab - 12/1/07 at 08:51 PM

Ok so this is not a particularly technical response but since the water in the system is near boiling point inside the head and not flashing into steam. The outside surface I would imagine would be slightly cooler and at a stab in the dark I’d suggest about 90 C sounds right. Most plastics can take over 110 C so I see no problem.

Why not get a sample and bolt it to a cylinder head and see what happens…


stevebubs - 12/1/07 at 09:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by macnab
Ok so this is not a particularly technical response but since the water in the system is near boiling point inside the head and not flashing into steam. The outside surface I would imagine would be slightly cooler and at a stab in the dark I’d suggest about 90 C sounds right. Most plastics can take over 110 C so I see no problem.

Why not get a sample and bolt it to a cylinder head and see what happens…


Your thinking is not strictly true as pressure of the system will raise the boiling point of the water.

Inlet ports are significantly cooler than exhaust ports, though...


DIY Si - 12/1/07 at 09:01 PM

If the pinto is of a Xflow type, then the inlet side will be cooler than it might otherwise be. The coolant (if mixed correctly) may well not boil until it gets to 110-115 ºC, so the head may eventually reach a temp very close to this. It may also depend upon carbs vs injection. Injection will be hotter due to having a dry manifold. The carbs will have fuel in the air to aid cooling slightly. I'd still guess 120 ºC as a maximum.


tks - 12/1/07 at 09:34 PM

saying that i would use a material wich could withstand 130degrees!

wy? because the last thing you want is that your are without a inlet not??

saying that the the total engine will die if it ever gets that hot on the inlet traject..



TKs


Confused but excited. - 12/1/07 at 10:32 PM

I've never tried it on a car but years ago I used TUFNOL (a phenolic resin laminate) for carb spacers on motorbikes. Might be worth a try, unless anyone on here knows better.


chriscook - 13/1/07 at 10:14 AM

Have done a bit of testing on a few plastic inlet manifolds. Wasn't anything to do with temperatures but the most exciting test to create an explosion in the manifold to simulate a backfire. I would suggest you want to consider such a load case when you are working out how thick to make the material.

Chris


novacaine - 19/1/07 at 08:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
[Your thinking is not strictly true as pressure of the system will raise the boiling point of the water.

Inlet ports are significantly cooler than exhaust ports, though...



not all cooling systems are presurised that much, only realy on old engines tho...i might be wrong tho...

matt