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miegru - 8/2/07 at 12:47 PM

I was getting a bit tired of constantly repacking my exhaust and the noiselevel when driving.

So I build myself a simple exhaust (just a test one using old bits and pieces). Aim is to see how that works (and to learn myself to tig-weld :-))

It is MUCH quieter and I don't notice a powerdrop. Does anybody here know if and how much power is taken away by such an exhaust?

The design:

A 130mm diameter tube, 650mm long and entry and exit both 60mm in diameter. The tube is split into three chambers:
1: 150mm long. In this chamber the entry flows in and the fumes can go through a perforated 60mm diameter pipe of 110mm to the next chamber.
2: 450mm long. The fumes enter this chamber through the end of the perforated pipe as mentioned above. The fumes exit to the next chamber through 6 25mm diameter tubes, all between 250 and 350mm long. These tubes are attached to the barrier between chamber 2 and 3 and are hanging freely in chamber 2
3: 50mm chamber. Fumes enter via the 6 tubes and exit through the 60mm exit.

Total weight is 300grams heavier than the Laser open one I have.

Total opening everywhere is 60mm. So how will this affect power and how much?

It sure is quiet!

Mies.


David Jenkins - 8/2/07 at 01:03 PM

I'd be interested to know, as my exhaust is still intrusively loud even though I've recently repacked it. I wouldn't mind losing a few BHP if I could reduce the dB a lot more!

And before anyone suggests it - I don't want to fit a stock car silencer as they usually look 'orrible on the side of a 7.

David


MikeR - 8/2/07 at 01:23 PM

Vizzard made an interesting discovery / published known knowledge (don't know which).

If you have your exhaust enter a chamber that is big enough to hold the volume of gass escaping from all your cylinders it will allow the exhaust to breath freely & reflect the pulse. You then send the gass via the 'what ever' to quieten it. Sounds like you've done something similar by accident


miegru - 8/2/07 at 01:35 PM

Thnks for that knowledge. I plan to make another one (with more pleasing looks..). Will use that info.

I know of one place in the Netherlands where I can buy part for the exhaust (main pipe, end caps en internal barriers, etc.). Anybody know of a cheap UK supplier? Want to compare prices.

Rgrds,

Mies.


MikeRJ - 8/2/07 at 02:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by miegruSo how will this affect power and how much?



It sounds like you have re-invented the helmholtz resonator type silencer. Most car exhausts have at least one silencer that works in a simmilar way, each chambers is sized to resonate at a particular frequency that requires attentuation.

It does give more back pressure than a simple absorbtion type, but how much power that is costing you is anyones guess. If you are only losing 4-5bhp or so it would be very difficult to notice any difference on the road.


greggors84 - 8/2/07 at 02:13 PM

There was a great article about exhaust in last months PPC. Definately worth a read.


02GF74 - 8/2/07 at 02:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by greggors84
There was a great article about exhaust in last months PPC. Definately worth a read.




errm, cough any chance of a scan cough


suparuss - 8/2/07 at 02:47 PM

these guys do something very similar with a bypass to make it straight through on demand. most of any benefit for scavenging etc is done at the collectors after the header so i cant see there being much of a power loss either. unless you are running a cam with overlap in which case back pressure pulses would be quite important.


greggors84 - 8/2/07 at 03:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
quote:
Originally posted by greggors84
There was a great article about exhaust in last months PPC. Definately worth a read.




errm, cough any chance of a scan cough


No there isnt...

You have U2U

[Edited on 8/2/2007 by greggors84]


907 - 8/2/07 at 11:29 PM

The loss of an odd horse or two is not an issue for me.

I've made a few cans in my time but they have mostly been the straight through re-packable type,
but only because that's what people want.

Personally I wouldn't fit one to my own car, preferring a through design that doesn't require repacking.

IMHO you can lose more power from the drag of wide tyres than you will from using a moderately baffled can.

Just my 2p


Paul G


David Jenkins - 9/2/07 at 08:03 AM

In my case, the exhaust note is starting to irritate ME, let alone the neighbours...
...I'm seriously considering a quieter exhaust.

David


DanP - 11/2/07 at 06:10 PM

I belive milner offroad can supply the parts you need: http://www.milneroffroad.com/PIPE.HTM

I've used them for tube and they seemed good.

HTH