dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 05:50 PM |
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busa vrs bird
I currently have a bird powered indy, im thinking of changing to a busa, is there much difference in power?
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 05:54 PM |
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Yes, but the ZX12 will give just as good as the Busa for half the price.
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 05:58 PM |
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Ive got hold of a busa very very cheap, so id like to run it, been considering a holeshot turbo conversion , and of course a dry sump.
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COREdevelopments
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 06:03 PM |
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how much is cheap may i ask??
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 06:09 PM |
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A good friend has just mangled a 2004 and was only 3rd party, I thought id take advantage and bought the whole bike for £1800
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yorkshire-engines
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 06:18 PM |
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Thats Cheeeeeeeeep
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k33ts
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 06:21 PM |
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supercharge the busa 300+ bhp
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 06:21 PM |
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So, should I change to the busa or stick with the bird, they both need dry sumping.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 06:21 PM |
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Can you stay friends with your good friend and get him too sort another ? 
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 06:51 PM |
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Ive got quite a bit of work to change to the busa, im wondering how much more power the busa will have.
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 07:00 PM |
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holeshot turbo conversion is a lot cheaper on the bird compared to the busa, after watching some videos and seeing holeshots 580bhp turbo at Oulton I
realy do want one.
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OX
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 07:13 PM |
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so do i but after pricing it all up theres no way in the world i could afford it,the price on the website is old so ask jack to send you the new price
list but to do it properly be prepared to spend £6000 and over
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 07:21 PM |
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I echo exactly what Ox says, a Holeshot turbo conversion is nowhere near as cheap as it would first appear, one thing to think about is that a 300bhp
engine that just does 1/4 mile drag runs for a living has very different demands to a 300bhp engine that needs to last 2-3 hours on track per day on a
trackday. A friend of mine has recently turbo'd his Megabusa to around 350bhp spec for trackdays and although he's spent out on a few belt
n braces parts which aren't strictly necessary as long as you're careful, the cost was around 3 x more than the figures bandied about on
the websites, and that includes him doing virtually all the manual work himself.
[Edited on 27/3/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 07:28 PM |
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Is a standard bird going to be fast enough on a track?
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 07:29 PM |
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Have holeshots quote here>
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INDY BIRD
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 07:46 PM |
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Aslo dont forget the other costs involved when fitting more powefull engines.
Brake upgrades etc take these into consideration.
Fuel bill will be massive my friend ran the dax busa turbo got around 4mpg on it and when he sold the car the chap had it on a track day first time
out blew it up as he ran out of fuel which he was told DO NOT DO this as will f*** up the engine,
£23k down the pan.
Must say very quick car but too much for the road totally wasted.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 07:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dilley
Is a standard bird going to be fast enough on a track?
Take it on track and find out  A standard Blackbird is plenty fast enough on track and will scare you witless.
As you've picked the Busa up at a superb price though, you've just got to stick it in the Indy. It's a good strong engine with loads
of potential for future modifications should you so wish. Alternatively, you could sell the engine and the rest of the bike and make a few grand. It
all depends on what you want . Me...... I'd drop the Busa in 
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:09 PM |
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Do many kit car owners from this site organise track days? Also is there any need for a full roll cage, Ive only been on the road and cant find the
breaking point when cornering, this is the only thing ive ever owned that I cant out drive!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:19 PM |
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Not many owners organise track days but there are plenty of companies out there that do and they usually get a good turn out from members on
here. You don't need a full roll cage to get on track and you'll certainly find your cars limits. Just make sure your first trackday is
one where there's plenty of run off
Phil
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:23 PM |
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No chance of rolling it then?
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dilley
No chance of rolling it then?
Due to the low COG the chances of flippin' in are low, but it can be done if pushed to the very extreme. Take you time and find the limits
before the limits find you... 
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dilley
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:29 PM |
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what about a quick rack?
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:34 PM |
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A quick rack is not a necessity but makes the car easier to catch/correct if it starts to get a little bit waaaay........
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 09:18 PM |
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Yup they can be rolled, trust me, got the T shirt.
Blackbird pace, Ive driven Donnington more than any other track so I guess that's the one I have most experience on I am around 3-4 seconds of
the ultimate pace against Busa & ZX12 engined cars ( I run Blackbird) but this pace is set by ex Formula Ford champs and the likes and even with
there engines and cars I wouldn't match there pace, whereas in my car I'm pretty sure they would get near it, hope that makes sense.
Quick racks, personal choice but I don't think its needed on track or road for that matter, I can do mallory hairpin without taking either hand
off the wheel and they can lead too over correction and tank slappers, some people love em though.
Roll cage, its your head under it, having had one or two close scrapes don't scrape on this one. There as been talk of helmets too recently,
visor, make sure you upgrade in this area if you buy a cheaper helmet, your heads out in the airflow and ready too catch any other bits coming your
way, stray nut, bolt, exhaust clamp wheel weight, all bits that can fall off a car in front of you, finally not needed but think about protecting your
investment with a fire extinguisher if going on track or road even, Ive got the T shirt for that one too.
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