ditchlewis
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 09:51 AM |
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smoke comes out my starter motor
Hi there, its been a while since i have been ont here as i have been moving house.
i have had the car running in the past, but it has been standing for a few months (say 6) since i last fired it up. so i have assumend that the petrol
in the fuel lines and the carbs has evaoprated.
well i put more petrol in the tank and charged the battery up and turned the key lot of churning and a dead battery
i pulled my golf TDI up to the garage and put the jump leads on. started turning the car over. SMOKE started comming off the starter motor and the
battery leads 
i assume that the power comming off the TDi battery is to much for the cabling that i have on the car.
well i charged the battery up over night and yesterday i used my Hyundai trajet (petrol) to try and jump start the engine. another dead battery
but this time noticed the smoke comming from the clutch cable release in the bell housing, but not the cables this time. i assume that the
hyundai put out less amps than the golf and that is why there was less smoke.
i will check the ignition system this evening to ensure a spark at the plugs then it will be down to fuel as the reason that it is not firing up.
got the four boy to try and push start the car, well as soon as the clutch was dropped it was like doing an emergency stop, and the boys came over the
top
regards
ditch
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zilspeed
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 09:57 AM |
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You've got a dodgy earth lead - either battery to chassis or chassis to engine bock. Probably the latter. That's why your clutch cable is
smoking - it's acting as the earth between engine and chassis.
And it shouldn't come to a dead stop when you go to bump it. Squirt of diesel down each plug socket, leave it for a day or so then turn it over
with the plugs out. ( Having fixed the earthing problem described above).
Once these two things are done, you should be ok...
Forgot to add - the car you use to jump it has little to do with it. The starter will draw what it needs from the avalable resources.
[Edited on 28/3/06 by zilspeed]
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Fatgadget
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 10:00 AM |
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quote:
...noticed the smoke comming from the clutch cable release in the bell housing....
This suggests your earth connection is dodgy m8.
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Peteff
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 10:24 AM |
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Bump it in 3rd gear or it will lock up as the car is so light. Put an earth strap from one of your starter bolts to the chassis/battery earth or
you'll melt the clutch and accelerator cables. Hook the earth jump lead to the engine, not the battery terminal as well.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 11:13 AM |
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Important to fix properly it before you try and start it again.
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02GF74
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 11:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Fatgadget
quote:
...noticed the smoke comming from the clutch cable release in the bell housing....
This suggests your earth connection is dodgy m8.
without a doubt, it is earthing problem. had similar happen on an MGB with the throttle cable - turned out I forgot to fit the engine to chassis
strap.
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 01:16 PM |
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many thanks for the advice lads
this would explain why the starter motor turns so slowly.
have i got this correct? a multi meter set for resistance testing will read 0 for a good connection and 1 for a bad connection?
will check and replace connections and earthstraps.
thanks for the advice on bump starts i did try 1st, but it was fun to see the boys come over the top
ditch
ps would placing the earth strap on the starter bolt be extra to the one on the engine or a replacement?
[Edited on 28/3/06 by ditchlewis]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 01:29 PM |
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The one on the engine should be enough - I'd check that it's got a really clean connection. Check for rust, grease, oil, paint - anything
like that.
A multimeter isn't likely to read low enough to check an earth strap; with the current that a starter takes, a fraction of an ohm is enough to
mess it up. Mind you, if it reads zero then you know it isn't totally wrong.
cheers,
David
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DIY Si
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 03:49 PM |
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Since you're having problems, I'd replace the engine earth strap AND use the starter to chassis one, just to be sure. Only costs a couple
of quid and should save any future hassle. Also, once fittted, cover the bolts/cable ends in vaseline. Should guard against rust in the future.
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