Marcus
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 12:16 PM |
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What would you do?
Been offered a 1600 Zetec SE for very little money. Thing is, I've been collecting bits for a 1700 rebuild (new pistons, rebored block, cam, 40s
etc).
Do I ditch the lot and go for the Zetec. What's involved - realize that throttle bodies / megasquirt would be required.
What sort of power are these as standard?
Will it fit a book chassis with no bonnet bulge?
Does it need a modified sump / water pump as Zetec 1800 / 2000s?
Any info greatly appreciated.
Marcus
Marcus
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MikeR
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 12:21 PM |
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does the SE mate the standard ford gearbox pattern?
Thought it was the puma engine that was different.
(this could be complete rubbish)
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ned
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 12:46 PM |
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marcus how much you been offered for it? i want one for my next project so curious if you don't mind (u2u if you prefer)
also intersted to find out abut the bellhousing aswell.
all ally very potent engine, shawspeed do loads of bits for it.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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JonBowden
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 12:49 PM |
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as I understand it, the 1600 SE is smaller (less tall) and lighter than the 1.8 or 2.0 Zeetecs. Thus it should fit nicely into a seven. I believe it
will mate with RWD ford gearboxes but I don't know the details.
this might be helpful : http://www.westfield-world.com/Enginespecs2.html
Jon
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D Beddows
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 01:08 PM |
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Been doing quite a bit of reasearch on this myself...... from what I've found out you will need a bellhousing and Shawspeed seem to be the only
people that do them AND they're not cheap... £230 if I recall. Standard power is about 105bhp but with Megasquirt/ throttle bodies/ new cams you
seem to be able to see 160bhp fairly readily/allegedly. Exhaust will be on the divers side of the car.
To be honest I've pretty much convinced myself to go with it - they weigh half of b*gger all, there are thousands of fiestas and Focus's
knocking about for replacements (having phoned round a few breakers £350 seems about the going rate for a fairly low mileage example), once
you've bought the bellhousing and cams you can always swap them over, well used in motorsport which is usualy a good sign of a decent basic
design and a sorted one should be pretty much ideal in the up to 1700cc sprint and hillclimb classes.
Up and running I can't see it being much (if any) more expensive than a properly done 1700 crossflow but you should get quite a bit more power
out of it.
If you enjoy taking your engine apart to add tuning bits in a crosslow stylee its probably not ideal though as, from what I've read,
it's from the bike engine school of modern engines ie. much cheaper to buy another than fix a broken one.
[Edited on 8/5/06 by D Beddows]
[Edited on 8/5/06 by D Beddows]
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ned
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 01:14 PM |
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from what i've read rod bolts, cam and ecu gets the power up 50%+ depending on spec. Its also a lot smaller engine -I'm thinking ease of
working on in a car as my 2ltr vx is a tight fit to get your hands round to get at bolts and the like. The se is nearly 2" shorter than the vx
lump as well so might have a chance of retaining the standrad inlet/plenum which makes life simpler aswell and shawspeed are quoting good power
figures retaining the original inlet system which save a few pennies on thorttle bodies or bike carbs etc. The next project may have a more fully
enclosed engine bay aswell so want something small and light without going for a bike engine as it wouldn't suit the car i'm looking
at.
Ned.
[Edited on 8/5/06 by ned]
beware, I've got yellow skin
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02GF74
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 01:17 PM |
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flog the 1700 bits but hang on to the 40 - you should be able to use these until you get throttle bodies.MS sorted.
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Marcus
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 02:06 PM |
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Cheers for the replies chaps!
Wasn't aware of the different bellhousing, but not a major problem. If I keep the 40s, I'll still need sparks from somewhere, so might as
well go for throttle bodies / megasquirt n spark etc. The engine would cost me 200 notes, guy needs an answer in the next few days, as he's got
another buyer lined up.
Is the 1700 puma engine completely different again? Thought that was the Yamaha designed one?
Marcus
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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D Beddows
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 02:20 PM |
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No, they're all something to do with Yamaha. I believe the Puma is the same basic engine (so same bolt pattern) only bored or stroked to 1700
and with different cams and ecu map, if memory serves it's 155 bhp in standard trim
Actualy, thinking about it, it's the Puma Racing thats 155bhp - the standard 1700 Puma is a bit less, same engine though
[Edited on 8/5/06 by D Beddows]
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ned
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 02:52 PM |
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the puma engine has nicasil coated liners from what i've read and is slightly taller with a vvc arrangment on the head. also has a steel
crank.
all second hand info though..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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muzchap
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 03:25 PM |
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Puma engine sucks according to two Mechanics I know! 
He said 2.0L Duratec will fit - and I quote:
"There's no replacement for displacement"
The 2.0L is only slightly heavier but produces better HP - so much of a muchness.
BRAND SPANKING NEW 2.3L Duratec is £800 - Caterham CSR uses this engine! It's quick been out in one! Snaps ya neck off!
Or around £600 for a secondhand 2.0L Duratec from a Mondeo
[Edited on 8/5/06 by muzchap]
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Marcus
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 03:56 PM |
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Hmm,
Not sure about the Duratec, would need dry sump to fit under standard Book bonnet - mega bucks.
I'm thinking LOCOST here, so maybe 1800 or 2000 Zetec would fit the bill. Do you think the 40s would be on the limit at this capacity (poss
45s?)
I don't want to spend more than £500 on the entire install if at all possible, 140 bhp would be ample.
Marcus
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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ned
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 05:06 PM |
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marcus,
was down the scrappy this afternoon and spotted a small aly block ford engine, went over and it was an se, a 1.25 the guy recon'd but it had a
seatbelt wrapped round it and i could lift it no probs, def a light engine.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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MikeR
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 05:40 PM |
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my only issue marcus would be the height of the zetec, its bit (not sure 1 or 2 inch) taller than the crossflow.
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