02GF74
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 02:20 PM |
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anyone fitted a vacuum guage?
some time ago I fitte a new pair of DIY ported SD1 heads to a P6 block, new timing gear, new 3.9 cam and followers to my 3.6l v8.
Also use the second blanked off port on the inled manifold to feed a vacuum guage but the reading on the guage it too low i.e. there should be more
vacuum (twin HIF6 carbs with K&N cone filters).
I would like to rule out there is no air leak - any ideas on how to find one, if there is one?
Inlet manifold and carbs are on tight - checked and retightened so unlikley but .....
The 3.9 and 3,5 cams don't differ that much so I doubt that would account for it nor do I thhk the matching of ports in the head will either.
Are there any other sumptoms such as misfire (none) that accompany inlet leaks?
I am assuming the guage is reading correctly - the needle does move in the
right direction.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 02:37 PM |
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Connect a compressor to the vacuum port, block off the butterflies and pressurise the inlet side??
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02GF74
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 02:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
Connect a compressor to the vacuum port, block off the butterflies and pressurise the inlet side??
I did wonder about that ... and then spray water/washing up liquid looking for bubbles? hopefully all the air won't go gushing out through any
open inlet valves....
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chockymonster
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 03:22 PM |
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I've fitted vac and turbo gauges to cars in the past.
I've always used the provided t-piece into the vacuum tubing as it has a restrictor built in to it. Otherwise the gauges under read.
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02GF74
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 03:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chockymonster
I've fitted vac and turbo gauges to cars in the past.
I've always used the provided t-piece into the vacuum tubing as it has a restrictor built in to it. Otherwise the gauges under read.
T piece, eh, what?
hmmm, I used B&Q plumbing bits and a small brass tube:
to make an adapter, one on the left:
which then fits into the manifold here:
Now the distributor vacuum line goes to the carb - are you saying that I should T into that?
If so, then I'm f**ked  ....athough I am pretty sure reading on the web that what I have done is correct, hmm....
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froggy
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 03:57 PM |
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can of brake cleaner and spray it around the carb and manifold if it leaks the engine will try to stall ,check the carbs are synchronised as one
further open than the other with twin su,s will lose your manifold vacuum giving you the low reading 
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 06:18 PM |
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You will only get a low reading with the vacuum gauge connected to just one inlet port. Try teeing off from your brake servo hose , that will give an
even reading from all cylinders. Also when checking for air leaks spray WD 40 around suspect areas and listen to engine. Revs will pick up if an air
leak is found .
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the_fbi
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 07:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chockymonster
I've always used the provided t-piece into the vacuum tubing as it has a restrictor built in to it. Otherwise the gauges under read.
Care to explain this?
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chockymonster
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 07:40 PM |
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I've always used HKS gauges on my previous jap tintops. The HKS gauge is supplied with a restrictor in the line, either in the t-piece or at the
connecting pipe on the gauge.
If you fit the gauges without the restrictor then the gauge didn't read correctly.
When I replaced the OE boost gauge on my evo I couldn't understand how I'd just dropped from 1.6bar to 1 bar. Swapped the t-piece over and
it worked perfectly
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the_fbi
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 07:59 PM |
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That makes no sense at all.
As long as the size of the entry to the sender (which is an internal component in this case) doesn't alter, which it doesn't even if you
go up to massive pipe it still ends up at the same size on the sender itself, then the pressure will always read the same and be correct.
12mm vacuum hose going to a 1mm vacuum hose will read the same pressure as using a 1mm hose throughout with the same input pressure.
Can't understand for a second how your Evo did what it did unless you physically enlarged the pipe entry to the sender itself, which you
didn', or if you did then it will now be reading incorrectly.
The only thing which would make sense, is that if it used to show 0bar on the OE gauge at idle. Where in actual fact it should show some vacuum
(possibly 0.6 bar!) depending on various factors. It certainly shouldn't have shown 0 bar as they'll always be a negative pressure at
idle/overrun as the engine sucks in air.
If you plumb in an accurate vacuum/boost gauge anywhere on the inlet manifold, you'll get a proper, accurate vacuum/boost reading irrespective
of pipe size.
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caber
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 08:28 PM |
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I ran a vac guage on my Rangie with a 3,9 cam in a 3.5 engine. I took my feed off the feed for the air intake valve, the reading was always lower than
it says in the book, I think these engines just run a low inlet vacuum. main thing to watch for is variations or needle flutter. Once you know what
the engine normally pulls just make sure it doesn't drop or fluctuate under different conditions.
Caber
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johnjulie
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| posted on 28/6/06 at 11:16 PM |
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The Smiths vac gauge is supplied with a restrictor, to prevent erratic fluctuations in the readings. It is a small brass plug with a small hole
through it, similar to a mig welding tip. It is fitted in the pipe at the manifold end. It is not always needed, but is usually fitted when the
distance between the gauge and manifold is short. The actual pipe is also quite a small bore, about 3mm.
Most vac gauges are designed to work with a small bore tube, the restrictor making it even smaller where necessary, using a larger tube results in
false readings
Cheers John
[Edited on 28/6/06 by johnjulie]
JFDI
"Just F*****G Do It"
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02GF74
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| posted on 29/6/06 at 08:12 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by caber
I ran a vac guage on my Rangie with a 3,9 cam in a 3.5 engine. I took my feed off the feed for the air intake valve, the reading was always lower than
it says in the book, I think these engines just run a low inlet vacuum. main thing to watch for is variations or needle flutter. Once you know what
the engine normally pulls just make sure it doesn't drop or fluctuate under different conditions.
what is the "air intake valve"?
As seen in photo; I connected it to the mainfold - an identical port is udes for the servo so I don;t see what difference it would make to T off from
the seervo; the guage is maye 50 cm away using a small plastic tube; guessing less then 2 mm I.D.
Re: connection: http://www.iwemalpg.com/Vacuum_gauge.htm
whcih is what I've done. I could try connecting to the carb (distrubutor connection) just to see what difference.
re ^^^^ v8 run at low vacuum i.e. the guage show less vacuum than there should be - which is what I see - could well be the case, dunno why that
should be though.
The guage does all the right things otherwsie, just the numbers are loess than expected - so maybe nothing to worry about after all.
[Edited on 29/6/06 by 02GF74]
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