antonio
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 posted on 14/1/09 at 12:25 PM |
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part issue. am i completly dumb???
hi guys
i know i'm not an engeenier, genuis or something like that, but till now, i did not realised how stupid i was
i ordered a sandwich plate to thinkauto a few weeks ago, to fit my r1 engine. part was TGASP 100, wich is design to fit this type of engine.
BUT, when trying to fit this on engine, i realised that the oil filter bolt was too thick(the one on engine), and the plate was not in touch with
engine .usualy, sandwich plate are machined to accept it, so plate can be in touch with engine, then you fit extension bolt, then oil
filter.right?
well, please guy, take a look at this parts :
http://s446.photobucket.com/albums/qq181/antoniocornelio/
tell me wich difference you can see between the part on red carpet (mine) and the one on grey carpet (the one i need)
if anyone here can explaine me how i can use mine on my engine, i'll cross channel and to pay him a beer!
i've been struggling with think to explain it, but i think the take me for a foul.
first i was wrong, then the part they gave me is the "new design one"
ps; plate don't need to be machined on filter side to accept extension bolt thickness, because oil filter design is curve shaped to accept it,
so what the point machined my part on filter side ???
many thanks for those able to understand this f***** english.
cheers
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DarrenW
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 12:38 PM |
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Ive not fitted one before but would have thought you just need the plate itself and then an extension bolt so you can still screw the filter on. Am i
right that the filter itself holds the sandwich plate in place.
I cant work out why the second plate pic shows the extension bolt on the plate itself unless this screws on top of the original filter bolt.
So what you are saying is that the hole in centre of your plate is too small to go over the original engine filter bolt?
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DarrenW
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 12:43 PM |
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oes this link help at all. There is a bit about a third of the way down. It talks about sandwich plates and oil sensors etc.
http://www.robcollingridge.com/kitcar/design/engine/index.html
The pic on grey carpet is on there too.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 12:51 PM |
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Hmm think he’s saying that there’s a female thread inside the new bolt for red part that is meant to screw onto the original bolt that you see fitted
to the engine, but the original bolt hex is too thick to allow the o-ring to seal
I think that’s what he means, not sure tbh
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NigeEss
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 01:12 PM |
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Seems to be more machining done on the red carpet one which would allow the clearance
needed for the nut described by Whippy.
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02GF74
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 01:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
Ive not fitted one before but would have thought you just need the plate itself and then an extension bolt so you can still screw the filter on. Am i
right that the filter itself holds the sandwich plate in place.
no. Usaully the hollow bolt which comes with the plate screws onto the original bolt and then holds the plate in place. (pretty sure that is the
case on the RV8 and xflow) the screw on filter is fitted as before but onto the new bolt.
I have to admit I do not understand the original problem but the bolt that comes with the plate should screw onto the one alread on the engine - BUT
looking at the pictures in DW's link, it may be that the original bolt is removed from the block?
I would suggest contacting Thinkauto for advice - they do reply via e-mail or used to.
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Davey D
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 02:43 PM |
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the last time i fitted one to an Mitsubishi Evo, i just unscrewed the original filter, then hold the sandwich plate where the filter should go, and
screw it in place with the hollow extension bolt. nip it up with a socket, and then your filter screws on top of that in the same manner it would have
screwed onto the engine block
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BenB
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 03:16 PM |
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It's difficult to tell what should happen without seeing both sides of the sandwich plate and the hollow bolt supplied by Think Auto...
From the sound of your description it appears that you may need to remove the hollow bolt that the oil filter bolts onto and then use the hollow bolt
supplied by Think Auto to hold the sandwich plate in place....
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nstrug
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 03:26 PM |
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Hi Antonio -
I'm really sorry, I completely forgot to send you the copy of my Think Auto receipt for my sandwich plate kit
I will do so tonight - promise!
My sandwich did not sit flush - I *think* I had the same problem as you did.
The way I solved it was to cut a spacer (basically a big washer) out of 3mm ally and stick it under the sandwich plate with liquid gasket - worked
fine and no leaks.
I'm sure that thick gasket material would work equally well.
Regards,
Nick
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antonio
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 03:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Hmm think he’s saying that there’s a female thread inside the new bolt for red part that is meant to screw onto the original bolt that you see fitted
to the engine, but the original bolt hex is too thick to allow the o-ring to seal
I think that’s what he means, not sure tbh
yes, that is what i want to say.
to accept the original bolt hex, the plate sould be machined (as it it usualy) but it was done on filter side!! i send a few mails to THINK, but they
keep telling me part is good!!
what should i do?
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antonio
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 05:54 PM |
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ok , i'm not crazy
here is thinks' answer:
OK now I understand the problem.
It is not a problem that we have come accross before but it is not impossible to resolve.
Clearly the inside of the inner face needs to be machined to a similar depth as the outer face, or your original bolt needs to be modified.
I would guess that it will be easier to modify the plate. However, we also have a male/male adaptor that is M20 on both sides that has a hex that is
only 1.5mm thick, I think this should solve your problem so long as you can remove your original bolt and screw this new adaptor in it's
place.
Regards
Nick.
so if you want to use this plate on r1, be aware you'll have to machine it to fit
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02GF74
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| posted on 14/1/09 at 06:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by antonio
yes, that is what i want to say.
to accept the original bolt hex, the plate sould be machined (as it it usualy) but it was done on filter side!! i send a few mails to THINK, but they
keep telling me part is good!!
what should i do?
can you not fit plate other way round?
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