andrew
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| posted on 20/3/10 at 09:54 PM |
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diesel engine
anybody know what modern diesel will bolt straight onto type9 box / bellhousing
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UncleFista
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| posted on 20/3/10 at 09:57 PM |
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I don't think there's any newish diesel that'll bolt straight up, but anyway, modern diesels have so much torque that surely
they'd shred a standard t9 anyway ?
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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andrew
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| posted on 20/3/10 at 10:08 PM |
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ok any sugestions
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UncleFista
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| posted on 20/3/10 at 10:13 PM |
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There was a bloke in PPC magazine who fitted a VAG TD to his Westfield, I can't remember what gearbox he used though...
I'll have a thumb through my back issues if no-one else remembers 
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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owelly
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| posted on 20/3/10 at 10:17 PM |
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I seem to think he spent a fortune on a bellhousing and kit. Toyota gearbox seems to ring a bell......
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 20/3/10 at 11:33 PM |
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This might be of some help?
http://westfield-world.com/pics_paulr.html
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se7en
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 12:54 AM |
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Does the Ford Transit (Not Connect) use a Type 9 Gearbox?
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Simon
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 12:57 AM |
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Alternatively look out for a more modern car that's diesel & rear wheel drive.
Jags and BMW spring to mind - you could possibly use the running gear from a complete 1 series which almost has same size footprint a "7"
Saying that, I was in a friends 307/8? 110HP 1.6HDi last weekend and I was amazed at how thrashable it was, and it still did 45mpg.
Maybe a mid engined alternative might be the way to go.
ATB
Simon
[Edited on 21/3/10 by Simon]
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mad4x4
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 01:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by se7en
Does the Ford Transit (Not Connect) use a Type 9 Gearbox?
There front wheel drive IIRCC
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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tonym
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 08:50 AM |
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What about a Sierra diesel?
[Edited on 21/3/10 by tonym]
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karlak
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 09:05 AM |
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Would love to have the Diesel out of my everyday Tintop in the Indy. I have the BMW 123d - Basically a 2.0 litre diesel with twin turbos. A smaller
one and then a larger one for further up the revs, make it less laggy and then helps with power / torque when both spool up to together.
Amazing really - it does over 200 bhp and still returns 40+ mpg. Have seen mid-50's on a steady run - and a 0-60 in 7 seconds (pre-bluefin )
is not too shabby either.
Have had mine "looked" at by Superchips, and it is now Dyno'd at 252 bhp - with an increase of torque as well. Not sure on the
weight of the engine, but this in a Kitcar would be rather quick I think - If you could stop the rears spinning I guess with that torque.
MK Indy - 2litre Duratec - Omex 600 - Jenvey throttle bodies - ETB DigiDash2
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StrikerChris
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 09:24 AM |
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not sure about type 9 but pretty sure a primera (about 98 shape) diesel will mate to the 200sx box,but they were only about 130 brake when chipped....
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 09:28 AM |
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Often thought about a small diesel in a kit car. The fuel economy would be second to none if you get it right, and the torque would be quite addictive
i shold think.
Anyone into Tuning Diesels? It wouldnt be right to have a standard diesel, but a "Tweaked" 1.4 or 1.6 would be quite nice if you could
get the power out of it.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 09:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
quote:
Originally posted by se7en
Does the Ford Transit (Not Connect) use a Type 9 Gearbox?
There front wheel drive IIRCC
Not the old ones. They were definately RWD.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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Danozeman
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 09:40 AM |
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Trannies werent type 9. mt75's. The new ones are like mt75's and im sure will mate to the mondeo duratorque engine but would be very
heavy.
Vag engines would be the best engines to use. If you get an early AAZ 1.9 you wouldnt need any ecus and stuff then and would still go well. Even the
early AFN 110bhp. then all youd need is ecu and throttle pedal and remap to 150. Apparatly with different injector nozzles and a couple of other
little bits you can get 200 and in a 7 youd get well over 70mpg.
Im sure an adaptor plate wouldnt be too hard to make up for a decent gearbox.
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 09:54 AM |
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Really cant see the point of a diesel in a very light weight car. I wouldn't build a se7en for fuel economy - how many miles a year does
everyone do in their cars? Too much torque and you'll just end up spinning the wheels all the time.
The guy who built the diesel Westie bought a 3.14 Sierra diff of me 3 years ago or so.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 10:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tonym
What about a Sierra diesel?
I think the "modern" requirement rules that one out!
The 1.8TD in the Sierra was a shocking engine, 67bhp for the early ones, increased to a massive 75bhp later. Coupled with a powerband like the edge
of a razor blade and an unhealthy appetite for timing belts it's not really something you'd consider using these days.
Some of the old RWD Transits had a Type 9 coupled to a very agricultural (and stupendously heavy) 2.5 non-turbo diesel.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 11:22 AM |
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BMW 4 cylinder engine is the best bet --- lots available from Rover 75s. Because it used a simpler turbo the version used in the R75 is more
reliable than that in the BMW or Freelander.
131 hp but an easy 155hp via black box.
However while it might pull like a train in a big heavy saloon or 4x4 a disels draw backs are going to show up much more in a light sports car it
just won't be free revving enough and like any moder engine it needs lots of electronics to support it.
[Edited on 21/3/10 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 21/3/10 by britishtrident]
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coozer
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 12:07 PM |
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Vauxhaul Isuzi diesels will mate up to a 4x4 Isuzu box.
My old 1.5TD Corsa was a rocket ship with some 'mods' to the turbo and pump. Only downside was the amount of black smoke when the pedal
was to the metal
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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smart51
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 01:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
quote:
Originally posted by se7en
Does the Ford Transit (Not Connect) use a Type 9 Gearbox?
There front wheel drive IIRCC
The Transit is available as either FWD or RWD.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 02:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by UncleFista
I don't think there's any newish diesel that'll bolt straight up, but anyway, modern diesels have so much torque that surely
they'd shred a standard t9 anyway ?
Oh Is that so.....better tell ford because the one I just pulled out of the P100 was a Diesel mated to a TYPE NINE........mmmmm
And it on got pulled cause we are going 4x4 v6
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beaver34
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 06:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
quote:
Originally posted by se7en
Does the Ford Transit (Not Connect) use a Type 9 Gearbox?
There front wheel drive IIRCC
The Transit is available as either FWD or RWD.
or 4wd 
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beaver34
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 06:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Danozeman
Trannies werent type 9. mt75's. The new ones are like mt75's and im sure will mate to the mondeo duratorque engine but would be very
heavy.
Vag engines would be the best engines to use. If you get an early AAZ 1.9 you wouldnt need any ecus and stuff then and would still go well. Even the
early AFN 110bhp. then all youd need is ecu and throttle pedal and remap to 150. Apparatly with different injector nozzles and a couple of other
little bits you can get 200 and in a 7 youd get well over 70mpg.
Im sure an adaptor plate wouldnt be too hard to make up for a decent gearbox.
early transits were type 9 up to 2000
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Simon
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| posted on 21/3/10 at 08:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by karlak
If you could stop the rears spinning I guess with that torque.
Torque would be effectively reduced with low enough final drive ratio, resulting in useable gearing, good performance and stunning economy.
I think that's quite a good formula really
ATB
Simon
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UncleFista
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 08:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
Oh Is that so.....
I don't know, which is why I said "I don't "think" and ended the sentence with a question mark.
Still think we need to inform Ford ?
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
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