RazMan
|
| posted on 24/9/05 at 10:28 AM |
|
|
V6 Duratec - options for firing it up?
Pretty soon I will be looking at firing up my 2.5 V6 Duratec and I am interested in exploring my options. I have the original Mondeo ST24 ECU and loom
but I understand that this will be very difficult to use because of all the security features built in to it.
A custom made ECU & loom would seem to be the best option, but at a price 
Does anyone know of any alternatives that won't cost the earth?
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
|
|
NS Dev
|
| posted on 24/9/05 at 11:29 AM |
|
|
make the loom yourself, not at all tricky, and get a secondhand ECU.
You can pick them up if you keep an eye out. I bought both of my MBE 956 ecu's secondhand and relatively cheaply (basically £600 for the full
setup incl throttle bodies, manifold, air filter, loom, fuel rails, ram pipes, throttle pot, coil pack, etc etc)
|
|
|
MikeRJ
|
| posted on 24/9/05 at 11:35 AM |
|
|
Are you retaining the original injection? If so I don't think you'll get a much cheaper solution than a megasquirt ECU, but your time
investment will be greater than an "of the shelf" solution.
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 24/9/05 at 05:37 PM |
|
|
I was hoping to keep it as simple as possible, so keeping the original injection would seem to be easier, although I think you have to get around the
Ford intake system which uses primary and secondary bores triggered by the ECU.
I am a reasonably competent technician so soldering and wiring a Megasquirt system shouldn't be much of a problem. If the cost savings are
significant I might go with this - on the other hand if I can find a second hand ready-made system for £600 sounds ......  But where do start
looking and what spec??
To be honest I am totally green when it comes to which bits to buy - I assumed that I could just rip it out of the donor and pop it in my car ......
NOW I know it isn't quite as simple as that mind you, the last car I built was 25 years ago when injection was just a 'good idea'
and everything was lashed together with araldite and baling wire 
[Edited on 24-9-05 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
saigonij
|
| posted on 26/9/05 at 07:44 AM |
|
|
have you thought about using the Cosworth 24v ECU from a late granada? I know its not a perfect match, but then i have run my 24v cossie on a Escort
cosworth ECU and it worked ok. Dont ask why i tried. just for fun i think!
but you might get away with it... They are fairly cheap to pick up from ebay i think...
|
|
|
jamesg20
|
| posted on 9/10/05 at 10:52 AM |
|
|
hi raz man, are you using the original gearbox from the st24? I'm thinking of using the duratec v6 mounted north-south in my new project but not
sure whether the original gearbox will be useable in front mounted rwd as ive never seen one.... anyone any ideas?
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 9/10/05 at 12:46 PM |
|
|
As the ST24 is a FWD car, it has a transaxle so is not suitable for north/south mounting in this form. I just moved the whole lot to the rear and
turned it round 180 degrees to make a middy RWD.
I would imagine that you could marry it up to a conventional gearbox with a suitable adaptor though - not really my field but hopefully of some help
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
ady8077
|
| posted on 9/10/05 at 02:40 PM |
|
|
Hi Razman
If you've turned the engine around 180 degrees, wont it drive backwards?
Adrian
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 9/10/05 at 06:11 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by ady8077
Hi Razman
If you've turned the engine around 180 degrees, wont it drive backwards?
Adrian
Aha! you just spotted my deliberate mistake [sheepish grin]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 14/10/05 at 04:52 PM |
|
|
Heads up...
Just stumbled across these guys ..
link
They are advertising a full 4 pot engine management system starting from £380!
Apparently they can do one for my V6 for around £550 which is loads cheaper than the competition. Not as cheap as the Mega squirt/jolt but ready made
with maps.
Has anyone tried them?
[Edited on 14-10-05 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
saigonij
|
| posted on 14/10/05 at 11:59 PM |
|
|
thats Dave Walkers company and the ECU is really really good.
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 15/10/05 at 01:18 PM |
|
|
Judging from their website, Dave really knows his stuff. I have sent an email for a bit more information but it's looking good so far 
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
stevebubs
|
| posted on 15/10/05 at 06:51 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
Judging from their website, Dave really knows his stuff. I have sent an email for a bit more information but it's looking good so far
What do you want to know? There's a number of people on here (including me) using the M3DK
Stephen
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 15/10/05 at 07:07 PM |
|
|
Hi Stephen,
My engine a 2.5L Duratec V6. I would like to know if I need to modify the engine in any way to incorporate their ECU? I understand that they supply a
loom which only requires a connector to be transferred from the donor loom. The only questionable area would appear to be Ford’s variable inlet system
– do I need to hold the secondary chokes open or does their ECU take this on too? Also, I want to incorporate a nitrous injection system and this was
mentioned in their website info somewhere – can this be written into the map?
Ideally I would like a ‘shopping list’ of parts required but any information will be appreciated.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 01:54 PM |
|
|
After contacting Emerald, I was told (more or less) that they were too busy to think about supplying me with a suitable setup as they were
not familiar with the V6 - so its back to the drawing board.
Can anyone help me out? - I'm getting a bit desperate now for an 'off the shelf' system now!
[Edited on 25-10-05 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
NS Dev
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 02:49 PM |
|
|
Emerald are very good, but with only Dave and Karl there they get a bit busy.
Alternative ECU's are available from DTAFast, extremely good and not TOO pricey - DTAFast
OMEX - speak to a chap that I know called Steve Walford - SW Motorsport he's running a VW VR6 engine in an
autograss car with am omex ecu, and he maps them as well.
Alternatively look out on racecar forums for s/h systems!
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 03:52 PM |
|
|
That great NS Dev - much appreciated
I have emailed both people and I'll let you know how I get on.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
Gav
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 03:59 PM |
|
|
With all this fafing around you could of got a megasquirt system up and running by now
Their are some US guys on probetalk.com that are running ms systems.
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 04:22 PM |
|
|
Yep, you are probably right Gav - I might still go that way if I can't find a suitable system.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
BKLOCO
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 04:39 PM |
|
|
Sorry to hear your still having probs.
Have you tried these people?
http://www.griffinpower.co.uk/
Realy nice, friendly guy.
Have a chat with him if you haven't allready.
PS. How's the back?
When you coming round to have a look?
Away till Monday, from tonight.
Next week?
[Edited on 25-10-05 by BKLOCO]
[Edited on 25-10-05 by BKLOCO]
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 04:57 PM |
|
|
Hi mate!!
I've had a word with Griffin and it looks as though they will be too expensive - they quoted me £1200 for their base map and a further £300 for
a rolling road setup.
I was hoping to get everything for under a grand including rolling road (if neccessary) Serves me right for being a skinflint I suppose.
Ah well ... the search continues.
My back is still giving me grief 
More tests, more waiting lists
I will still be here next week - give me a shout when you are off-shift ..... I can just about lift a kettle to make some coffee
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
NS Dev
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 07:14 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
Hi mate!!
I've had a word with Griffin and it looks as though they will be too expensive - they quoted me £1200 for their base map and a further £300 for
a rolling road setup.
I was hoping to get everything for under a grand including rolling road (if neccessary) Serves me right for being a skinflint I suppose.
Ah well ... the search continues.
My back is still giving me grief
More tests, more waiting lists
I will still be here next week - give me a shout when you are off-shift ..... I can just about lift a kettle to make some coffee
Was that price including throttle bodies or something????
If that's for the ECU + maps alone then it is a BIG rip off!!
I know that Steve Walford sells the complete throttle body kit for a Ford Duratec engine for just over £1400 and that includes all the hardware
(throttle bodies, injectors etc etc etc) the ECU and a pre-installed map!! This is using Jenvey throttle bodies and Omex management,
give him a call on 0121 694 0740 and tell him that Nat from M+L Autograss club sent you! When you finish talking to him, ask him where my ruddy
gearbox is!!!!
|
|
|
RazMan
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 09:09 PM |
|
|
Bloomin' heck, that sounds like a really good deal!
When I phoned Griffin, they gave me a price as follows:
700 series ECU - £941
2 Sender units - £32
Engine bay loom - £180
Rolling road map - £300
...... a bit steep considering it uses the Duratec's coil pack too.
Don't get me wrong - it's probably a great system but just a bit too rich for my pocket.
quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
.....give him a call on 0121 694 0740 and tell him that Nat from M+L Autograss club sent you! When you finish talking to him, ask him where my ruddy
gearbox is!!!!
I'll do that tomorrow!
[Edited on 25-10-05 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
|
|
|
NS Dev
|
| posted on 25/10/05 at 10:02 PM |
|
|
best to call him in the early evening, as sw motorsport is part time business, outside of his day job.
|
|
|
NS Dev
|
| posted on 30/10/05 at 11:46 AM |
|
|
Razman, you have U2U re. something very interesting on Ebay!!
|
|
|
.jpg)
