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| posted on 14/3/07 at 11:03 PM |
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1300Xflow > 2.0 Zetec
Hi All,
I am currently running a 1300cc crossflow in my book build locost but am yearning for a bit more umph in the way of a 2.0 zetec.
Could anyone give me some advice on what is required. Is the zetec that much bigger that I would have to alter anything structural. The crossflow is a
tight fit tbh. Which enigne should I look for.
I see you can buy the engine mounts to replace the crossflow in a caterham, would this be sufficient to use with the locost.
What gearbox mod's would I be looking at, bellhousing, prop etc?
Any other changes I would need to concider...
If anyone could shed some light I would really apriciate it, I have tried searcing but have found alot of spread advice and nothing definitive.
Cheers
Ian
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JoelP
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 11:06 PM |
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some zetec info here i think:
http://www.zetec-cat.co.uk/
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bodger
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 11:08 PM |
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I've got a brand new 2.0L Zetec going for a very good price if you're interested.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 15/3/07 at 01:17 AM |
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I've just invested in a Zetec to replace the crossflow in my car, it's gonna be a squeeze though 
You'd need to change your gearbox for a type9, the 4-speed won't take the power for long, the zetec will just bolt up. You'd
probably get away with your original prop, with a new gearbox end and shortening a bit (much cheaper than lengthening).
You'd also need sparks and fuel, either carbs and Megajolt, or full injection with Megasquirt.
I wasn't really looking for one, but a 1.8 with new escort waterpump, tin sump and correct starter came up on ebay and I bid £50 and got it
Have you gone off the idea of the K-series then ? It's a fair bit smaller than a zetec and it's in countless sevens so the bits will be
plentiful..
BTW I've just seen the pics of your car after cleaning and painting, what a transformation  Is it on the road again, and what do you think of
your new calipers ?
PS. when you use the site search, instead of using spaces between the words, use the percentage sign "%", it's always been
broken...
[Edited on 15/3/07 by UncleFista]
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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TangoMan
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| posted on 15/3/07 at 09:07 AM |
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Not sure about the space issues as I upgraded from a 2.0 Pinto to a 2.0 Zetec.
Although the Pinto was tuned the Zetec is soo much more powerful.
I went the full monty with Throttle Bodies and Megasquirt on a 2.0 because I felt a 1.8 would not be much better than the pinto.
For the sake of a waterpump and a flywheel is it really worth not getting a 2.0.
If you do a search for Zetec there is loads of info on here.
Flywheel - 1.6 or 1.8 any Zetec
Water pump - 1.8 Escort
Sump - 1.6/1.8 or a modified 2.0 sump (& pick up)
A 1.8 CVH Sierra sump is ideal. Steel so easy to shorten.
a 4 branch manifold can be expensive so I made one.
Engine mounts can be sourced from various places. I got my engine plates from a place in corby (will update when I remember) and then fabricated the
mounts to suit while the engine was in situ.
Hoses as silicon and available lots of places.
32mm metal hose extensions. I used 32mm polished stainless hoover pipe for the top hose, about £3 of ebay and some ally tube for the bottom hose so I
could add bosses for the thermostat bypass hoses.
My advice is, if you can make it fit go for it. I was sceptical of the time and money I spent on my conversion but the extra grunt is well worth it.
Summer's here!!!!
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02GF74
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| posted on 15/3/07 at 09:52 AM |
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I did the measurements somewhere and the zetec is a fair bit taller.
(and longer and wider but the height measn a bonnet bulge I reckon)
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cm
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| posted on 15/3/07 at 10:19 AM |
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Cheers for the comments, great so far. Send me a U2U 'bodger' I might be interested.
Are the 1.6 zetec's basically the same engine?
To be honest I am a bit concerned about the size as the 1300 crossflow is a tight squeeze anyway.
Didn't know it bolted up to a type 9 striahgt away, that's ideal.
I have went off the idea of a k series as I know the mounts are in the wrong place, I would need a new bellhousing and everyone I ask say's keep
well away.
My two previous cars were a rover 214 / 218 and I loved them and the k series, know alot more about the engine but??
Don't know what to do now, as far as setting up a zetec to run on carb's would this eliminate the height issue some what? I'm not a
carb expert so what would be required to plum in a set of 40's?
Cheers
Ian
Will get some more pic's up as I progress, havn't really had it on the road yet. Waiting untill easter.
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02GF74
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| posted on 15/3/07 at 11:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cm
To be honest I am a bit concerned about the size as the 1300 crossflow is a tight squeeze anyway.
How tight? I really ought to dig out my bit of paper aond post the measurements so that would give you more of an idea.
quote:
Originally posted by cm
Don't know what to do now, as far as setting up a zetec to run on carb's would this eliminate the height issue some what?
I doubt it; the zetec is taller due to overhead cams and having two, is wider on the top too.
The carbs zip of of theside on both.
Once thing in your favour is that the eaxhaust and inlets are on the same side.
I went as far as buying zetecs (!) but have decide to look for a sprightly crossflow; that should swee me go from 70-80 bhpo to 120-150 bhp so close
to doubling that should be enough for me. It will be probably more expensive than a zetec.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 15/3/07 at 11:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cm
I have went off the idea of a k series as I know the mounts are in the wrong place, I would need a new bellhousing and everyone I ask say's keep
well away.
I see the problem...you were asking the wrong people
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paulf
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| posted on 15/3/07 at 08:59 PM |
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The zetec is about 3inches taller than a crossflow with the standard sump,length is about the same and the head is wider across the manifold faces.
Im converting my car from a crossflow to a zetec and have cut the sump down by 1.5 inches to give the same road clearance as my crosflow did and have
found that it sticks up about 1.5 inches above the nosecone and will need taller nose and bonnet or a bonnet bulge.
There is a photo comparing the 2 engines in my photo archive.
Paul.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 15/3/07 at 09:55 PM |
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Hi Paul, I've been looking through your pics, is your car and nosecone "book" sized ? I ask because the Zetec
seems to fit well in yours.
I don't think it looks as tall next to the crossflow as it does in my fevered imagination
Has the crossflow in the pics got a standard or shortened sump on ?
If there's only 3 inches in it, once I shorten the sump, it might just fit
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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paulf
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| posted on 15/3/07 at 11:04 PM |
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My car is a standard book sized chassis and the nose is a low profile caterham type , in the picture with it over the zetec engine in the car it is
about 1.5 inches above the chassis rails at he back.I may change it for a taller one that I have or else cut it to fit over the cam cover and make a
bonnet with a bulge that extends over the nose cone to cover the cam cover.
The crossflow is a 1600 with a shortened sump,the picture shows it alongside the zetec with a shortened sump also, the top of the cam cover is 1.5
inches above the crossflows oi lfiller cap.If the engine is fitted behind the nose cone then it would be more straightforward to fit , but i could not
easily move my gearbox back.
The engine is a 1.8 from an escort so already had a slightly shorter sump than a mondeo engine.
Paul
quote:
Originally posted by UncleFista
Hi Paul, I've been looking through your pics, is your car and nosecone "book" sized ? I ask because the Zetec
seems to fit well in yours.
I don't think it looks as tall next to the crossflow as it does in my fevered imagination
Has the crossflow in the pics got a standard or shortened sump on ?
If there's only 3 inches in it, once I shorten the sump, it might just fit
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UncleFista
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| posted on 18/3/07 at 08:49 PM |
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Cheers Paul, my crossflow has a standard sump, so the difference in sizes is even smaller.
All good news mate, cheers
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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