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flak monkey

posted on 17/1/06 at 11:54 AM Reply With Quote
Oh well, never mind.

The problem I would forsee with fitting it in would be getting the steering link past it. I guess thats why most pinto engined cars take the exhaust over the top of the chassis rails...

The head looks tempting. Got my eye on another one thats only got an FR33 cam fitted to an otherwise standard head, and its a lot less money (£20). Though I have asked the guy what extent that head (in your link) has been ported to. See how the work compares with that listed in Des Hamills book.

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DarrenW

posted on 17/1/06 at 11:57 AM Reply With Quote
Ref exhausts - i messed about for ages trying to get a stock manifold to fit OK. My engine is further back which made it a touch harder. Sierra twin outlet manifold simply wouldnt fit. Cortina single would but the daft bends i had to fabricate to get it to exit were screeming bad flow to me. In the end i bit the bullet and splashed out for a full Mac#1 stainless system. Im so pleased i did. Not only for fit and flow but also for looks - to me it is part of the aesthetics of the car.

If you want decent performance on a budget you need good flow in and out and a decent head. I started with injection lump and flowed it a bit using Des Hammills guide. Slow to do but not that hard. I quite enjoyed it. Skim and valves recut was done professionally. I got FR32 cam off ebay for £40ish. Also fitted new springs and followers etc. Im using 38DGAS which is good. Im struggling with filter clearance so part of foam filter is masked by bonnet. Eventually im hoping to go bike carb route and 2.1 rebuild. Dave Walker posted a nice link a while back which said he could do machining work for not a lot of money to get 2.1. http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=23342






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DaveFJ

posted on 17/1/06 at 12:26 PM Reply With Quote
If you have the money fit a Cosworth head.....





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roadrunner

posted on 17/1/06 at 07:18 PM Reply With Quote
pinto underpowered

when i said my indy did 60 in 7 secs , that was a conservitve estemate,it was hand timed using a mobilephone ,and to much wheel spin off the line.
it was probebly nearer 6.5 .

by the way ,has any body else had problems reaching the ton , i dont know if its power ,diff ,gearing,aerodynamics or that my exhaust manifold was made in a bit of a rush and all the pipes are different lenghs. my diff is 3.62 and type 9 box from a 1600 pinto.

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boris junior

posted on 17/1/06 at 07:56 PM Reply With Quote
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by the way ,has any body else had problems reaching the ton , i dont know if its power ,diff ,gearing,aerodynamics or that my exhaust manifold was made in a bit of a rush and all the pipes are different lenghs. my diff is 3.62 and type 9 box from a 1600 pinto.


Iv had my ex 1600 pinto westfield at a ton before but it was a struggle thats for sure, no worries now though, she is a 2.1 now and i get to go play all weekend





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Rob Allison

posted on 19/1/06 at 10:43 PM Reply With Quote
Ah all this Pinto talk thought i'd join in.
Last year i added a bit more power to my mk2 RS2000 in the form of a T3 Garrett turbo On the dyno running 7.5 psi on a standard CR pinto EFi it put out 162bhp @ the wheels and its fun.

So fit one of these


and you get this







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MikeRJ

posted on 19/1/06 at 11:22 PM Reply With Quote
You actually kept the original injection system as well? How on earth did you get that to work properly?
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jon_boy

posted on 20/1/06 at 10:34 AM Reply With Quote
Thats just what i was going to ask!! Oh, splash 200 odd squid on a CA18DET out of a 200sx, bout 160bhp standard. Much more fun.
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MikeRJ

posted on 20/1/06 at 03:10 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by jon_boy
Thats just what i was going to ask!! Oh, splash 200 odd squid on a CA18DET out of a 200sx, bout 160bhp standard. Much more fun.


Don't they have a bit of an appetite for big ends? Or is that the SR20DET?

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Jasper

posted on 21/1/06 at 12:52 PM Reply With Quote
And easily tunable to 200bhp+ very cheaply....
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TheKingofBling

posted on 22/1/06 at 12:28 AM Reply With Quote
Turbo powered car that ways less than a paper weight, i dont think so, go super charged, far mor controlable.!!!!
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gazza285

posted on 22/1/06 at 12:54 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by britishtrident
Never considered a great engine even back in 1970 the Pinto wasn't Fords worst engine that was 1200 pre-xflow kent -- just the second worst. When the Essex V4 was phased out fleet owners ressisted it being put in the petrol Transit 75 forcing Ford to keep the 1600 xflo in production for a few years more.


What? I was under the obviously mistaken idea that the 1600 Crossflow was kept in production to power Mk2 Escorts until 1980 and Fiestas until 1983. No Transit was ever made with a Crossflow engine in it. The Mk1 had the V4 and the Mk 2 had the Pinto.
And the 1200 Precrossflow was phased out many years before 1970.

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident



The xflo is a much better engine -- but its expensive to rebuild these days.
[Edited on 17/1/06 by britishtrident]



What? You can still rebuild them for pennies. Buy the bits of eBay or any motor factors for peanuts and do them yourself.





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rusty nuts

posted on 22/1/06 at 09:59 AM Reply With Quote
Sorry to contradict , but some Transit's did indeed have the 1600 x flow engine, my brother had one from new.
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Jasper

posted on 23/1/06 at 10:24 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by TheKingofBling
Turbo powered car that ways less than a paper weight, i dont think so, go super charged, far mor controlable.!!!!


Have you actually bin in any turbo powered Se7ens? I think you'll find they are much more controllable than you think. It all depends on what they are and how they are set up. The other advantage is that if you keep the revs below the boost point, you can drive it around like a regular old car.

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