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Author: Subject: Start motor sticking "on" :(
lotustwincam

posted on 27/6/06 at 06:00 PM Reply With Quote
Are you sure that the noise is coming from the starter?

If it was the wrong pinion for gearwheel, then everything would just jam up when the starter engaged.

Can't be solenoid or electrics, because as soon as the engine fires it should kick the pinion out of engagement. If the solenoid was sticking on, then once the pinion is thrown out you would hear the starter motor spinning freely under battery power.

Is the starter motor ever disengaging? Do you have any difficulty removing the motor. Can you hear if the pinion disengages when you loosen the bolts?

Assuming that you have no other ancilliaries connected, (and it's nothing internal to the engine) could it possibly be the gearbox or clutch release bearing thats making the noise? Does depressing the clutch pedal have any effect on the noise?

Just by 2p's worth

Drew

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MikeR

posted on 27/6/06 at 06:02 PM Reply With Quote
am starting to wonder the same.

tried with the clutch depressed.

Not 100% sure the clutch is the right one for the gearbox (got it second hand) so thats the next suspect ..........

if i get chance at the w/e i'll be stripping it all apart.

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rusty nuts

posted on 1/7/06 at 05:06 PM Reply With Quote
Any progress?
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MikeR

posted on 2/7/06 at 01:08 PM Reply With Quote
not yet - just about to get changed and go in the garage (friends been over from Finland and given the choice of the bl**dy car or the gorgeous Reetta ....... Reetta wins)
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irvined

posted on 2/7/06 at 06:01 PM Reply With Quote
I'm sure this is a bad idea, but if your not sure its the starter sticking, then you can test this theory pretty easily, once the engine is running, try to start the car, if there is a huge grinding noise as the inertia wotsit tries to engage, then it wasnt the starter, if there is no change, then it is the starter.





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MikeR

posted on 3/7/06 at 12:10 AM Reply With Quote
never made the garage, fell asleep.
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rusty nuts

posted on 3/7/06 at 05:02 PM Reply With Quote
I thought the Grand Prix was boring as well !
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MikeR

posted on 12/7/06 at 06:13 PM Reply With Quote
Just had a play and the starter is definately sticking "on". Put some masking tape on the end of hte starter shaft i can see, made a point and watched it.

Dad is going to send me a new pinion that is supposed to be identical but seems to be about 1mm smaller - hopefully that will fix it.

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MikeR

posted on 17/7/06 at 07:27 PM Reply With Quote
IT WORKS



no, not loud enough........


I T W O R K S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hmmm, how do you shout for joy on here?

IT BLOOMING WELL WORKS!




(now do you want to know what was wrong? well replaced the pinion with a tool my dad made and a pinion my dads neighbour sourced that was .5mm smaller od. Still seemed to be failing, but, i've thought this a few times, the noise might be louder in my left ear, must be something to do with accoustics / my bad hearing balance. Anyway, in a fit of pished off ness after it was still doing it with the new pinion. I added tape to end of the starter so i could see it turning and ..... removed the alternator. Guess what, it sounds sooooooooo sweet, i mean, like REALLY sweat, dead quiet, boy its nice .......... )

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MikeR

posted on 17/7/06 at 07:28 PM Reply With Quote
ps. in case you hadn't guessed, I'M REALLY HAPPY.

I first found this problem 2 (yes two) years ago!

Who says this is a slow build?

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rusty nuts

posted on 17/7/06 at 07:31 PM Reply With Quote
Do you mean it was a noisy alternator , not the starter?
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DIY Si

posted on 17/7/06 at 07:32 PM Reply With Quote
2 WHOLE ACTUAL YEARS??????? Blimey that's slow.
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MikeR

posted on 17/7/06 at 08:30 PM Reply With Quote
I think the noise was the alternator. I was sure the starter was sticking on but i think with hindsight it was just spinning down and i was panicing from the noise - i wasn't prepared to leave the starter running in case it went bang.

and yes, slow build ......... but i have a life, somewhere!!!

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DIY Si

posted on 17/7/06 at 08:31 PM Reply With Quote
My other half just got fed up with me and let me buy one.
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rusty nuts

posted on 17/7/06 at 08:36 PM Reply With Quote
My other half is just fed up with me !
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MikeR

posted on 17/7/06 at 08:38 PM Reply With Quote
my other half left 4 years ago. gutted at the time, couldn't be happier now (strange how the build slowed just after she left and has never picked up speed since!!!!!!!!!)



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DIY Si

posted on 17/7/06 at 08:41 PM Reply With Quote
If I was single I think I'd have been finished by now. But i wouldn't have done anything else until it was complete mind.
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