UncleFista
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| posted on 22/3/02 at 01:40 PM |
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The 2.3 N/A Ford Diesel is a big, heavy, laggy, underpowered slug of a powerplant. If you wanna fit a Diesel, fit a turbo-diesel, you'll regret it if
you don't 
(I once drove a 2.3 D Sierra, never again...)
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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Fatboy Dave
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| posted on 22/3/02 at 02:00 PM |
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No. No no no no no no no no. NO!
That horrible, wheezng Peugeot 2.3 lump is awful. Made of cast iron it weighs a ton, produces a whopping 63bhp, and doesn't even have a turbo. It
also makes enough noise to wake the dead.
What you could do though, because the 2.3D Sierra was a s desirable as stinging nettle underpants and about as usefull as a donor, is buy it for the
diesel spec gearbox and differential, as you need to choose these with care if you are getting them out of a petrol car (the diff has to have roughly
a 3.09:1 ratio)
Dave
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James
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 posted on 22/3/02 at 03:53 PM |
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As I said I've no desire particularly for a diesel- if nothing else I'm a bit dubious about the health implications for diesel emissions- what with
them being carcinogenic and all. I may be wrong but aren't they meant to give out some pretty nasty fumes compared to petrol engines (not that
they're good- just not quite as bad!). I guess modern Diesel's from the likes of BMW and VW are a lot better though maybe?
Why would the 2.3D gearbox be better though? Just because of the ratio or something else?
James
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Fatboy Dave
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| posted on 22/3/02 at 04:00 PM |
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They are, they're bl**dy lethal the fumes. It's all the cetane, and the fact that the third most cancerous compand known to man is found in diesel
fumes (3nitrobenzantrone IIRC, but it's probably wrong).
As for the diesel box, yes, it's purely for the ratios. No point buying the first gearbox that comes along if the ratios are wrong for the engine.
Sierras/Sierra parts are two a penny, and it's no real hardship turning stuff down.
Dave
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phil
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| posted on 8/8/02 at 09:57 PM |
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Well boys , just got myself an FSO g/box from the scrappies today, looks like it will fit on to the citroen tdi no prob.Even the citroen clutch plate
fits the FSO splines.The only problem at the mo is that the output flange is of the rubber doughnut type (fixed, non sliding), like the older fiats &
lada i think. The question is what type of propshaft layout do i use?, do i use the doughnut instead of a u/joint. all ideas welcome
cheers PHIL'''''''''
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paulbeyer
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| posted on 8/8/02 at 10:54 PM |
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quote:
I've been playing with the idea of using a TD engine in mine, mainly as a cheaper mode of transport to and from work. I'd planned to use
either a VAG TD or a Rover TD. Both power medium sized cars yet still return 55mpg combined with approx 10s 0-60's, think what that'll be in a
locost!
If you're after cheap motoring how about LPG? I've just spent 2 days converting my Saab 9000 to run on LPG and although it is early days it runs
smoother, quieter and at 34 pence / litre compared to 78 pence a litre for diesel a lot cheaper.
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rallyslag
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| posted on 14/8/02 at 05:33 PM |
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As for fumes and running costs you should also look into running your car on biodiesel
very very cheap and easy to make and has none of that carcanagenic crap from petrolium diesel
have a look on http://www.veggievan.org/
the book from there is highly recommended (i got mine from amazon.co.uk)
Old chinese proverb: "If a man speaks in a forest, and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?"
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Macca
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| posted on 14/8/02 at 05:42 PM |
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Is this stuff legal as no taxes are payed?
What are the ministry likely to say if used on public highway?
Col.
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Fatboy Dave
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| posted on 14/8/02 at 05:44 PM |
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It's a grey area biggfer than Johnnie Major.
Technically, *any* fuel that can propel a vehicle on the highway is liable to duty, even if you have a car that can run on tap water.
However, actually, trying to pay duty that isn't automatically collected at the pumps is almost impossible....
Dave
Stop the planet, I want to get off
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phil
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| posted on 15/8/02 at 06:05 AM |
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When i get it running ok and get a respectable speed from it , i just might have a look now you've put that idea in my head.. cheers
phil...........
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JohnFol
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| posted on 15/8/02 at 11:03 AM |
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One of the early comments was about using a VAG diesel.
I consiously chose a diesel a few months back having had 330 BMW's, 2.5 Vectra's ./ . .
I have a Golf 150bhp diesel GTi , and it's faster than their 150bhp petrol GTI, with a 0-60 of around 8.5 (however the petrol is in 2nd I'm already
in 3rd. Six speed box. I also get 236 lbft torque (more than Boxter S), lower tax and insurance and a combined mpg of 54.
So, I am a diesel convert and would recommend it. Mind you, when did common sense fit into a forum about makign a car from piles of steel?
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rallyslag
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| posted on 12/9/02 at 06:58 AM |
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you can pay duty on your biodiesel now and its at a reduced rate of 21p/liter
plus you wouldnt have to pay any tax on your fuel for use on the track 
Old chinese proverb: "If a man speaks in a forest, and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?"
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B@man
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 posted on 21/10/02 at 08:53 AM |
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Phil, Hows the conversion Going ? I' want to fit my Rickman with a Ciroen TDi Lump so I am very interested in how this is going. Out of interest Does
the FSO Gearbox have a un-boltable bell housing or is it integral to the Gearbox ? - I'm wondering if I could make an adapter plate to fit between
the FSO bell housing and the T-9 box, thus solving the Prop problem
quote:
Originally posted by phil
Well boys , just got myself an FSO g/box from the scrappies today, looks like it will fit on to the citroen tdi no prob.Even the citroen clutch plate
fits the FSO splines.The only problem at the mo is that the output flange is of the rubber doughnut type (fixed, non sliding), like the older fiats &
lada i think. The question is what type of propshaft layout do i use?, do i use the doughnut instead of a u/joint. all ideas welcome
cheers PHIL'''''''''
Projects :
Robin Hood S7 - Deceased !
SSC Stylus 16v - Sold
Spartan Zetec conversion
Rickman 2.0 Petrol (New Engine) - Sold
Rickman 1800 TD (ongoing)
TVR 400SE (Nearly a kit ?)
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phil
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| posted on 21/10/02 at 07:36 PM |
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problems encountered so far.
Hi B@man,
Thanks for asking,the locost TDI is going quite well at the mo. Yes the bellhousing is removable from the FSO g/box, so you may be
able to fit another box of your choice. I've decieded to keep the box for the moment as it looks quite good and has good ratios for the TDI & escort
diff. The propshaft was easy to shorten and all i had to do was make a mounting for the centre bearing in the trans tunnel,both sections were
shortened and i've retained the output doughnut, mounting the center bearing at the correct height to keep the front section of the shaft level.
As the TDI was mounted at a slight angle the g/box also sits at a slight tilt(should not be a problem). As mentioned earlier the BX clutch plate fits
the g/box splines
but i will need to make another spigott bearing as the shaft is smaller than the f/wheel brg on the TDI. Also had to make a remote gear linkage
(because the lever was under the scuttle). Hope you understand all this waffling and that it may be some use to you.
regards Phil......... 
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JohnFol
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 08:00 AM |
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I know I've joined this posting a little late, but I drive a diesel, by choice and would recommend it to anyone. 1 proviso, get a high pressure
version , ie BMW 330D, or VAG 1.9 TDi (my one).
150bhp / 236 lb ft. Forget LPG. Yes it is much cheeper than diesel, but it gives less mpg than petrol.
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Dunc
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 09:26 AM |
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One downside of a diesel is the low revving ability. It may have more torque than a petrol engine but by the time it goes through the higher gearing
the torque at the wheels could be much lower. I do agree that they are definately worth looking into but the german variants are expensive, I've been
looking at the rover TD, equivalent in performance and MPG to the VAG's but cheaper and quite possibly lighter.
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B@man
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 04:25 PM |
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Phil, Thanks for the Response, I think the TD option will have to wait on cost grounds, I found a FSO gearbox but the yard want £150 ex VAT for it and
the cheapest I could find a TDi engine was £500 exvat, for that outlay I can probably rebuild the complete car !
I nearly had a Ford (yuk!) Sierra TD engine yesterday, the complete car was going for £200, but sadly someone had tried to fit mondeo Injector pipes
in the wrong order so It would'nt run !
So the current plan is to stick with the 1800 pinto (if it will start after 3 years of being stood near the coast).
Projects :
Robin Hood S7 - Deceased !
SSC Stylus 16v - Sold
Spartan Zetec conversion
Rickman 2.0 Petrol (New Engine) - Sold
Rickman 1800 TD (ongoing)
TVR 400SE (Nearly a kit ?)
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Stu16v
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| posted on 23/10/02 at 05:14 PM |
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There is another gearbox that will fit the Pug/Citroen TDI engine. Its the R380 gearbox which is fitted to the latest Ley/Daf 200 vans, they have an
n/a Pug motor as standard.
Dont just build it.....make it!
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paulbeyer
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| posted on 23/10/02 at 10:54 PM |
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Forget LPG. Yes it is much cheeper than diesel, but it gives less mpg than petrol.
Jon,
A little bit about LPG. You are right, it does give less MPG than petrol (typically about 5%-8% less) due to the fact that LPG has a slightly lower
calorific value than petrol. My Saab 2.3 used to give about 28mpg on unleaded at a steady 80mph and now returns 25.4mpg on LPG. Unleaded used to set
me back about 78.4 ppl, LPG now costs me 30 ppl. I'm sure you can see the immediate cost benefit even taking into consideration my lowered MPG
figures. LPG also has a higher octane level typically 110. It also burns slower than petrol, producing a smoother and quieter running engine resulting
in less wear. At my first service since converting to gas my used engine oil was still yellow and translucent, partly due I suppose to the fact that
my emmisions are now greatly reduced.
Carbon Monoxide reduced by 75%
Nitrogen Oxides reduced by 40%
Nitrogen Dioxide reduced by 80% (over diesel)
Carbon Dioxide reduced by 10%
Ozone reduced by 87%
Hydrocarbons reduced by 85%
Particulates reduced by 99% (over diesel)
It is also said that there is a reduction in performance once converted to LPG but I have not found this to be the case. Each fuel type has its good
and bad points and having owned many petrol and diesel engine cars I am mightily impressed with LPG. How else could I run a Saab 9000 2.3 for the same
sort of cost as a Pug 205 Diesel? I have both on my drive and the Saab wins every time.
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B@man
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| posted on 24/10/02 at 08:19 AM |
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Re LPG.
OK it's cheap now, but once it catches on in a big do you think the government will keep the duty on LPG fixed ?. When Diesels where not as common
there was a lot less duty on the fuel than there is now. As soon as the is a large number of LPG powered cars on the roads the government will have no
option but to increase tax on LPG if only to offset the losses made in the decline of unleaded sales. I suppose the only way to know is to wait
see.
Meanwhile I'm going to safeway's to fill my TD mondeo with sunflower oil.....
Projects :
Robin Hood S7 - Deceased !
SSC Stylus 16v - Sold
Spartan Zetec conversion
Rickman 2.0 Petrol (New Engine) - Sold
Rickman 1800 TD (ongoing)
TVR 400SE (Nearly a kit ?)
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paulbeyer
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| posted on 24/10/02 at 09:09 PM |
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Yup, you're probably right, LPG price hike are almost inevitable. One of the reasons duty is so low at the moment is because the present government
are committed to cutting green house gasses and LPG is one cheap and painless way for the government to be seen to be doing that. It wont last, as you
quite rightly point out but I intend to make hay whilst the sun shines.
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interestedparty
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| posted on 25/10/02 at 02:02 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by paulbeyer
Yup, you're probably right, LPG price hike are almost inevitable. One of the reasons duty is so low at the moment is because the present government
are committed to cutting green house gasses and LPG is one cheap and painless way for the government to be seen to be doing that. It wont last, as you
quite rightly point out but I intend to make hay whilst the sun shines.
Can't see how LPG reduces greenhouse gases.The one that's at the heart of fuel use is carbon dioxide. By the figures given above CO2 is only less
than petrol by little more than the decrease in power, and that's easily compensated for by using 10% more throttle
John
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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paulbeyer
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| posted on 25/10/02 at 02:01 PM |
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Can't see how LPG reduces greenhouse gases.
Sorry, for greenhouse gas read pollution.
I'm going back to building my unleaded petrol powered Indy now.
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phil
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| posted on 26/10/02 at 07:40 AM |
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quote:
I intend to make hay whilst the sun shines.
but don't the profesional hay makers run their machines on stuff called diesel???
regards phil....
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interestedparty
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| posted on 26/10/02 at 09:35 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phil
but don't the profesional hay makers run their machines on stuff called diesel???
regards phil....
That's a good point. I think it's really funny when I see programmes on TV extolling the virtues of growing renewable energy sources like rapeseed
oil for running buses and stuff on, when all the ploughing and harvesting is carried out by diesel powered machines!
John
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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