eccsmk
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| posted on 14/5/09 at 10:57 PM |
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XE owners*update page 2*
what clutch do i need to use when fitting a type 9 box to an early (pre cat) XE??
i have ben told the 2.3 diesel sierra friction plate will fit the XE casing but the friction plate is to deep for the flywheel 
thank you
[Edited on 26/5/09 by eccsmk]
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bill132hotrod
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| posted on 14/5/09 at 11:01 PM |
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clutch for xe
Hi
I,m not 100% sure but i think the one i used was from a Sherpa van (same diameter as vauxhall but with the 1" 24 spine centre.
Hope this is of help.
Regards Bill.
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blakep82
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| posted on 14/5/09 at 11:04 PM |
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too deep? 2.3 diesel sierra is what i'd heard.
on my ecotec, which is the same block, i needed pretty much any sierra plate EXCEPT the 2.3 diesel. but thats different diameter rather than depth
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 14/5/09 at 11:18 PM |
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when i was mating my ecotec to manta gearbox i loooked right through the qh clutch parts book and found that a rover 45 2lt clutch had the correct
splines and diameter.
might be worth checking out other makes and models too
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 15/5/09 at 06:28 AM |
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I splashed out on the propper helix adaptor friction disc from sbdev when i got my carbs from them
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 15/5/09 at 07:00 AM |
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Hi Martin,
As I said in an early U2U this was a particular issue for me too. Alot of the websites out there quote the sierra diesel plate but I think it may be a
case of "i heard of this one guy who used one from a sierra" spreading far and wide. Youd need to machine down your flywheel to fit it.
Ideally you need to get a special item, I shopped around - so you dont have to  , and the price list goes:
£55 + pnp from Yukspeed
linky
£68 + pnp from westfield
linky
alotamoney from sbd..
Once the engine is fitted in a week or so, I will get my blog updated with all this information to avoid future builder confusion
[Edited on 15/5/09 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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eccsmk
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| posted on 15/5/09 at 07:53 AM |
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you certainly did mate
i was posting in anger
the sierra 2.3 diesel friction plate is the correct diameter for the XE flywheel bit it has an extra piece added to the back of it which stops it
fitting into the flywheel.
if anyone knows of a sierra friction plate without this extra (im guessing anti torque) thingy on the back im sure it would bolt straight up!.
im going to listen to c.d.thomson and get a yukspeed item
thank you
quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
Hi Martin,
As I said in an early U2U this was a particular issue for me too. Alot of the websites out there quote the sierra diesel plate but I think it may be a
case of "i heard of this one guy who used one from a sierra" spreading far and wide. Youd need to machine down your flywheel to fit it.
Ideally you need to get a special item, I shopped around - so you dont have to , and the price list goes:
£55 + pnp from Yukspeed
linky
£68 + pnp from westfield
linky
alotamoney from sbd..
Once the engine is fitted in a week or so, I will get my blog updated with all this information to avoid future builder confusion
[Edited on 15/5/09 by cd.thomson]
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 15/5/09 at 10:32 AM |
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Yuk has been to hospital recently after injuring his hip. Hes been discharged but is still bedridden, I sent him cash for parts a couple of weeks ago
and I am still waiting.
Extremely reliable and friendly bloke, but not the right time to be ordering parts from him 
Craig
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loggyboy
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| posted on 15/5/09 at 11:08 AM |
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FYI there are 2 types of XE fly wheel, commonly refered to as flat and pot. the flats were fitted to earlier XEs, pots to later XEs and most LETs. I
assume you will have a flat one, perhaps the clutch you have may suit the pot type?
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eccsmk
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| posted on 15/5/09 at 04:43 PM |
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i was talking to someone last night about that the only problem i have is the deeper (pot type?) would more likely cost more than buying a proper
clutch.
ill keep this info tho because my memory isnt the best 
quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
FYI there are 2 types of XE fly wheel, commonly refered to as flat and pot. the flats were fitted to earlier XEs, pots to later XEs and most LETs. I
assume you will have a flat one, perhaps the clutch you have may suit the pot type?
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eccsmk
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| posted on 15/5/09 at 04:45 PM |
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im now going to take a trip to my local garage and have a look through their books to see if i can find a clutch.
failing that ill give yuk a bell and order a proper jobby
thank you to all (god i
love this forum )
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loggyboy
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| posted on 15/5/09 at 09:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eccsmk
i was talking to someone last night about that the only problem i have is the deeper (pot type?) would more likely cost more than buying a proper
clutch.
ill keep this info tho because my memory isnt the best
How do you mean, if you talking cost of the flywheel, then the flat type ones are more popular (due to lightness and the abiloty to change clutches
without seperating the eng/gearbox) , so you could no doubt swap it with some one quite easily,
The only thing I found when getting prices for the standard clutches is the clutch & plate that suits the Pot type was double the cost, however if
you not using a GM clutch that shouldnt be a problem!
In fact I think I have a Pot flywheel and old clutch sat at home as my late XE had one and I swapped to a flat one. It a bit rusty but you can have it
to try out if you like.
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eccsmk
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| posted on 16/5/09 at 02:03 PM |
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what i will do is take some pics and make a new threat of what we have tried and eventuall what works.
the decision has been made to keep the early XE flywheel
i still need a clutch arm
im going to get some measurements for the sherpa and rover 45 clutch plates (or order one of each)
and then hopefully we are in buisness
can someone post a pic of the standard and moduified(rs200?) clutch arms please
many thanks
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 16/5/09 at 02:39 PM |
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The rs2000 fork is the cleaner of the two
Craig
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eccsmk
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| posted on 16/5/09 at 07:10 PM |
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thank you for that
i think it would be possible to have a go at altering the standard one
im now in need of a standard clutch arm if anyone has a spare
again thanks folks
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 16/5/09 at 08:19 PM |
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you can have the one you see in that picture if you like martin?
Craig
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eccsmk
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| posted on 16/5/09 at 10:40 PM |
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u2u on its way
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eccsmk
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 02:24 PM |
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ive found a friction plate from a 4cylinder turbo diesel that fits a type9 box and fits the xe clutch cover and flywheel
im not sure what it is until the motorfactors send me a new one (when they eventuall find what it is )
also have started to play about with clutch arms but ideally need the friction plate back so it can be tested.
ill post some photo's later on and any more info i can find
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 02:29 PM |
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I have my friction plate too, i believe its a quiton hazel part but can't confirm until this weekend, ill post it here later in the week
Craig
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eccsmk
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 02:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
I have my friction plate too, i believe its a quiton hazel part but can't confirm until this weekend, ill post it here later in the week
is yours from yuk??
have been trying everywhere to get one and no-one seemed to know (unless i got the complete clutch kit)
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 02:51 PM |
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yep yuk sent it out to me last week..
Craig
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eccsmk
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| posted on 26/5/09 at 04:46 PM |
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can i have your sump
please??
ive got to get mine sorted next
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eccsmk
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| posted on 29/5/09 at 06:22 PM |
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the engine and box are in with a slightly modified standard clutch arm.
exhaust manifold is complete
inlet manifold is almost complete
so ill take lots of pics over the weekend and will start a new thread
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 29/5/09 at 09:13 PM |
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Craig
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mikemph
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| posted on 15/2/12 at 10:59 PM |
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Has anyone here got a flat flywheel they can measure for me?
I need to know the depth of the clutch friction face from the outer ring of the flywheel where the cover plate bolts onto. If someone can measure
with some verineers or micrometer or worst case a steel rule.
The more accurate the measurement the better. I am machining down a pot type into a flat one, a c20xe mini I am also build along with the r1 Haynes
roadster.
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