locoboy
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 06:33 AM |
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cheap nasty engine
Guys,
Im planning a new build and im looking at putting in a real cheap old engine to get through IVA and the swap it out for a bike engine.
I have been on here long enough to have heard the reaction of many to this concept but im coming round to the idea now.
I know it will be more work in the long run but i dont want to have to faff with emissions and i need to buy myself some time financially before i can
commit to completing a bike installation.
So what im after is ideas of a cheap small easy to wire rwd enigne / gbox combo.
I wil be building the car with the swap in mind so a sacraficial side pannel will be installed that that can be removed after the test and the
original pannel fitted back on and exhaust hole cut out, any lower engine mounts will be put in where possible, centre beaing mounts etc, all to
lessen the work after the IVA test.
Ideally i would like an engine choice that does not need a hole cut in the bonnet for a carb.
Thanks guys
Col
ATB
Locoboy
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mad4x4
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 06:42 AM |
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What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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LBMEFM
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 06:44 AM |
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Fit a Sierra engine & Gearbox driving through a Sierra Diff (3.62) if poss. Then keep the diff and fit a bike engine at a later date in a cradle.
This goes straight in to your chassis and connects to Sierra diff with the aid of a modified prop and adaptor plate for the engine output. Simples
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Guinness
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 06:55 AM |
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What about an A series? or are these getting expensive these days?
Mike
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:01 AM |
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smallblock 1.6 8v vauxhal engine with a manta/omega box.
Need about 5 wires to run, amke around 100bhp
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Steve G
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:02 AM |
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Plenty have passed SVA with bike engines and it seems such a huge amount of work to do the transplant later on just for the sake of sorting the
emmissions and noise. I recon if you really want to look at fitting a pre Aug 95 engine in order to get simpler emmissions levels to meet, then a
CBR1000 or early ZX9R engine would surely be a better option. I wouldnt mind betting this sort of engine complete with electrics and maybe clocks
could be had for well under £500, but would then enable a much simpler conversion to a later engine to be done. The loom can be kept to an almost
modular format with all the lights and so on seperate to the engine loom, with only 3 or 4 connections to make between the two. The prop can then
remain the same, with the only real concern being the reverse requirements.
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x_flow57
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:03 AM |
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Would something like this fit the bill?
Cheep not so nasty engine.
Nick
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Daddylonglegs
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
I resemble that remark!  
It looks like the Midget is winning at the moment......
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wilkingj
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:22 AM |
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Make sure the engine is old enough to warrant not being tested for Emissions at MoT.
Still... It will need to get thru the emission test for the IVA, so it needs to be in reasonable condition to do that.
I like your strategy.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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iank
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:33 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
smallblock 1.6 8v vauxhal engine with a manta/omega box.
Need about 5 wires to run, amke around 100bhp
Caterham used those on their base models for a while before the K series iirc. Should cost around £50 for a good one with a free car to give to the
scrap-man to get your money back.
Ford engine and type 9 is probably the more obvious route though.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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02GF74
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:35 AM |
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as said, many have passed with a bike engine.
if you want cheap and nasty, you can pick up running ford crossflows for small money.
advantage over pinto is that is is smaller, lespecially heightwise so you won't need to modify bonnet, lighter and exhaust leaves on same side
as bike engine.
... and them come in under 15495 cc in size so you can be paying less tax and prboably insurcance whilst saving up for the BEC transplant.
[Edited on 11/6/09 by 02GF74]
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Humbug
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:35 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
I resemble that remark!
So you're cheap and nasty as well? or do you resent the remark?
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AndyGT
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:35 AM |
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I agree small block 8v vauxhalls are cheap as chips but manta boxes and sumps are now getting expensive.
The old ford crossflow route is hard to beat as they are cheap as chips to do and you could fit any 1.1, 1.3 or 1.6 model. Mounts are very easy to
source as this was the book car. But I would use IRS from a sierra.
As for bile engines, the BIG problem to somve with a small budget is the reverse gear. Si CEC pre IVA and BEC after sounds like a very fair
idea...
Good luck anyway
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johnemms
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:52 AM |
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Belive it or not.... I use cataclean .. It reduces petrol and or diesel emissions by up to 60%
I just mot'd my old w reg 2.0hdi .. same cat since i bought and welded it up years ago..
1 bottle of cataclean .. run it for a few miles... presto.. pass....
I intend to drop a bottle in if i ever get to iva... i have total faith in it.. :p
Oh .. gotta put my 2.4 petrol previa 15mpg through this month.. with dodgy mass air flow sensor.. not worried.. got a bottle on the table here ready
for that..
www.cataclean.com i get mine from GSF brum unless you can find or order some in at your local factor...
remember.... i 'only' use it on the day of the mot.. tc...
PS.
first use..
My 9 yr old 2.0hdi failed emissions big style... put bottle in .. re test.. easy pass..
previa 2.4. failed..told i need expensive airbox - mass airflow unit .. put bottle in.. re test easy pass..
[Edited on 11/6/09 by johnemms]
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mark chandler
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 07:53 AM |
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893 fireblade, made in 1992 so misses the emmisions rules and will cost circa £400 for a good one.
Job done, and it will be quick and require little work to upgrade.
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owelly
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 08:16 AM |
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As said, the bike engine pre IVA is a no go due to the need for a reverse.
I suggest finding or borrowing whatever Ford stuff you can get your hands on. It's been fitted to everything and anything so any problems are
long gone.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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iank
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 08:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by x_flow57
Would something like this fit the bill?
Cheep not so nasty engine.
Nick
As it comes with a 'free' prop that seems ideal
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 08:29 AM |
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1.8 CVH?? people don't seem to like them, I have one can't see the problem (it is locost after all!) each to there own! Without an
airfilter I have managed to get it under the bonnet without a cut out (had to machine inlet manifold though....
Personaly I would rather get a reverse and go for what you want rather than making even more work for yourself.. Also not having a reverse might cause
insurance trouble if you had to have this fitted for IVA?? I would check this out first..
Dan
[Edited on 11/6/09 by Bluemoon]
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TimC
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 08:29 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by x_flow57
Would something like this fit the bill?
Cheep not so nasty engine.
Nick
I honestly think that the installation is a good deal. Everyone is telling me that I'd probably get more for it if I sold it seperately but I
haven't the time to deal with numerous eBay enquiries. Therefore the cost to you could be negative (i.e. bring profit) if you were prepared to
separate once you'd finished with it. One thing that I missed off the advert was the Facet solid state fuel pump!
[Edited on 11/6/09 by TimC]
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minitici
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 09:10 AM |
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Don't ignore the Reliant Robin 850 engine & gearbox as a 'mule' to get the car through IVA.
Light alloy and small, cheap, easy to obtain and a suitable age.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 09:13 AM |
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I vote for crossflow, visible smoke test only for the life of the car 
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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omega0684
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 09:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
OI! Sea Captains like myself take offence at you mocking my boat anchor! 
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James
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 09:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
I resemble that remark!
So you're cheap and nasty as well? or do you resent the remark?
It was a joke Simon!
Not a typo!
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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Daddylonglegs
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 09:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
I resemble that remark!
So you're cheap and nasty as well? or do you resent the remark?
Nope! I definitely meant resemble (it's a long story )
It looks like the Midget is winning at the moment......
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Daddylonglegs
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| posted on 11/6/09 at 09:49 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
What about a PINTO then - Cheap and Nasty
I resemble that remark!
So you're cheap and nasty as well? or do you resent the remark?
It was a joke Simon!
Not a typo!
Correct sir
It looks like the Midget is winning at the moment......
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