Mark Allanson
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 01:33 PM |
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Pinto won't go :(
I have a standardish EEC IV injection setup on my car, albeit the plenum is chopped and lowered.
I parked the car up a week ago, came back to it and no sparks. There is 14.5v to the +ive side of the coil 14.4v at the -ive, I have fitted an old
spark plug to the king lead and get a single good spark when I turn it over, but non after that. On cleaning the dizz cap, I inadvertently broke the
centre electrode which is going to delay any further diagnostics until I can get a new one tomorrow.
Has anyone got any brainwaves, diagnostic sequences?
Its the first sunny day in weeks, and I am stuck at home with a dead engine
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dave r
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 01:44 PM |
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if you have a spark on the king lead,and no further its got to be rotor arm/dizzy cap... i guess it was broken before you finished it off!
dave
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lotusmadandy
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 01:46 PM |
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If you have got a spark at the coil lead,
I would hazard a guess and say the problem lies somewhere between the
dizzy and plugs.I had a problem a while
ago when my car broke down.It turned out the king lead had been pulled part of the way out.
Andy
[Edited on 2/8/09 by lotusmadandy]
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 01:54 PM |
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Test the rotor arm with a multimeter. I've seen 2 arms go in the past both while leading with 5 laps to go for the BIL to be scottish
champion
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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Macbeast
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 01:59 PM |
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But he said he only got ONE spark 
Surely he should get a succession of sparks regardless of the condition downstream ?
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Peteff
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 02:05 PM |
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Coil's f**ked, it's not got enough sparks to keep the engine going so it needs filling up with sparks again. 
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 02:11 PM |
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Years ago, when cars had points and condensors, one spark meant that the condensor was up the spout, but I have computers instead of points, its the
ONE spark bit that is worrying me
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RAYLEE29
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 02:13 PM |
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Hi, is the dizzy turning when you turn the engine over? also check the timing ive seen the distibutor drive break before.
normally means no spark but if the ignition uses a crank sensor then you could still produce a spark
hope this makes sense
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 02:19 PM |
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The triggering is by a Hall effect transducer in the distributer which is turning, I can see where you are coming from though
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mark chandler
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 06:00 PM |
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Had a friend with a 2.0 litre granda, he tried testing if it was sparking doing what you have done, but moved the lead a bit further away, the system
does not like this at all.
It then sparks internally destroying the box of tricks as there is little overload protection.
I suspect you have fried the iginition system.
[Edited on 2/8/09 by mark chandler]
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 06:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
Had a friend with a 2.0 litre granda, he tried testing if it was sparking doing what you have done, but moved the lead a bit further away, the system
does not like this at all.
It then sparks internally destroying the box of tricks as there is little overload protection.
I suspect you have fried the iginition system.
[Edited on 2/8/09 by mark chandler]
I cannot see how a plug in the king lead is any different to having a plug in the normal plug lead via the rotor arm and dizz cap?
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Peteff
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 06:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
I cannot see how a plug in the king lead is any different to having a plug in the normal plug lead via the rotor arm and dizz cap?
It isn't you just get 4 times as many sparks
quote:
Originally posted by Mark AllansonYears ago, when cars had points and condensors, one spark meant that the condensor was up the spout,
but I have computers instead of points, its the ONE spark bit that is worrying me
If he's using the king lead from the coil it's not going through the distributor.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 07:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
I cannot see how a plug in the king lead is any different to having a plug in the normal plug lead via the rotor arm and dizz cap?
It isn't you just get 4 times as many sparks
quote:
Originally posted by Mark AllansonYears ago, when cars had points and condensors, one spark meant that the condensor was up the spout,
but I have computers instead of points, its the ONE spark bit that is worrying me
If he's using the king lead from the coil it's not going through the distributor.
So why is my ignition system fried?
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 07:19 PM |
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Ignition module??
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Xtreme Kermit
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| posted on 2/8/09 at 08:35 PM |
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try re-seating the multi connector to the EEC. Mine looked as though it was ok but had moved 1/16" and it just wouldn't go.
Took me two weeks and borrowed a scope before I found it...
Electrics 101 - check everything simple before looking further
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Peteff
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 09:07 AM |
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Just borrow a coil and try it, the winding in the coil breaks down and shorts inside so one spark is all you get. All the electronic stuff is done in
the box and the distributor just acts as a switch not like the old capacitor which caused the coil charge to build up and release as it passed the
segment. Also over time the oil in coils can break down and become conductive which can cause short circuits.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 8/8/09 at 04:37 PM |
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Update 8th Aug
I have now replaced the ignition module, the coil, the dizzy cap and rotor arm and it still won't spark
Starting to get depressed now, I am missing what remains of the summer
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flak monkey
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| posted on 8/8/09 at 04:53 PM |
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Is it completely dead now then or do you just get a single spark still?
Are the parts you replaced known to have been working? I.e are you sure the new bits all function?
Is there a crank position sensor on the std efi or does it just work from the dizzy? If there is a seperate crank sensor replace that, or try another
dizzy. Its the only remaining part of the ignition system that hasnt been changed.
David
Editied to add have you tried another ignition lead as your king lead?
[Edited on 8/8/09 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 8/8/09 at 04:58 PM |
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Thanks David,
I will try swapping the leads, but it does appear that the dizzy isn't switching, I cannot hear the injectors clicking either (they get their
signal from the dizzy, no crank position sensor).
Has anyone got an injection dizzy for sale?
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flak monkey
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| posted on 8/8/09 at 05:10 PM |
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Oddly enough when my pinto wouldnt go, before i got my car on the road and I had no sparks it was down the the hall module in what was then a brand
new dizzy. Infact I had 2 go, so it wouldnt suprise me if that was the problem. I could of course be wrong though.
Someone must have a dizzy laying about you can try 
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 8/8/09 at 05:18 PM |
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Paypal is poised and ready!!!!
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 08:06 PM |
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A quick update
I got an auto electrician in, I could go and replace things until it worked but it worked out cheaper to change the guilty part.
The module in the dizzy was to blame, I managed to find an new old stock one for £80.00 delivered and had the car running in 10 mins after the courier
left. Ideal.
The cost of the sparky was £25 who also fixed my old dizzy in the price so I now have a spare. If anyone gets into the same position, the module in a
Saab 900 is the same and can be desoldered out!
I am now back terrorising the holidaymakers in West Cornwall again
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 08:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Ignition module??
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02GF74
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 08:23 PM |
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electronic ignition modules are great until the pack in, as you found out.
got my points distributor timed crossflow going in about 10 minutes. 
turned engine over over but made no firing noises - whip off the cap, connect LED lamp, nowt, turn engine over repeat - turned out to be dirty
contacts (I did clean and reset them),and soon had spark when turning over.
next put in plug into 1 and 4 and had it going once opened up the throttle on the twin 40s. Fit remaining 2 plugs and bob is your uncle.
no efi, nor anything fancy but got it running without too much drama. simples.
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