scootz
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| posted on 22/11/09 at 11:29 PM |
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What Actually Defines a Duratec Engine... ???
Saw
THIS and it got me thinking...
The ST170 engine is a Zetec with variable cam control, but is advertised by Ford as being a Duratec engine. Anyone know why this came to be the case?
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mcerd1
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| posted on 22/11/09 at 11:32 PM |
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ford marketing, same reson that zetec's now a trim level
the one your interested in is the 'duratec HE'
the ST170 and RS both have modified & re-badged is a zetec E's
[Edited on 22/11/09 by mcerd1]
[Edited on 22/11/09 by mcerd1]
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scootz
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| posted on 22/11/09 at 11:36 PM |
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Get much done in the garage tonight Robert?
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mcerd1
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| posted on 22/11/09 at 11:39 PM |
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not really, but I've got all day tomorrow 
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 08:16 AM |
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IIRC the 1.3 KA engine is also badged 'Duratec' and is in fact a tarted up, fuel injected Crossflow!
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scootz
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 08:51 AM |
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Bit of a bugger if you bought that Westie thinking you were getting a 'real' Duratec... still, you'd probably not be disappointed
with the ST170.
It's Evolution Baby!
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Project7
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 08:52 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
IIRC the 1.3 KA engine is also badged 'Duratec' and is in fact a tarted up, fuel injected Crossflow!
I think they dropped the crossflow nearing the end of the mk1 KAs life. The 1.3 Duratec in the KA is a SOHC engine (possibily called ROCAM, not sure
on that one).
Ford also call its current V6's Duratecs aswell, keeps remembering all the names simple though!
Edit:
and the Volvo T5 derived engine in the ST is badged Duratec too.
[Edited on 23/11/09 by Project7]
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bj928
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 09:46 AM |
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from what i can tell, the basic mondeo 2.0 litre 4 pot duratec, has exhaust on the drivers side if you put it inline, and the zetec exhaust goes down
the passenger side when engine fitted inline.
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MK9R
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 09:50 AM |
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All ford petrol engines are now badged duratecs, even some of the old zetecs were rebadged. Sorry no help 
Have been doing a lot of research on duratecs recently due to needing wiring diagrams for LPG conversion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine
[Edited on 23/11/09 by MK9R]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 12:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Project7
quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
IIRC the 1.3 KA engine is also badged 'Duratec' and is in fact a tarted up, fuel injected Crossflow!
I think they dropped the crossflow nearing the end of the mk1 KAs life. The 1.3 Duratec in the KA is a SOHC engine (possibily called ROCAM, not sure
on that one).
yeah, they dropped the 'endura' in favour of the brazilian engines - basically a zetec SE (the small all alloy one) but with a SOHC to
make it cheaper
and the 1.6 in sthe sport KA is the same SOHC I think
(the endura was an updated HCS, which is an updated valencia, which was roughly based on a shortened x-flow, wich was an updated kent - I think they
got there moneys worth out of that design )
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 12:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
yeah, they dropped the 'endura' in favour of the brazilian engines - basically a zetec SE (the small all alloy one) but with a SOHC to
make it cheaper
The SOHC "ROCAM" engine is a Brazilian iron blocked design with a chain driven cam, I don't think it shares much if anything with
the Yamaha designed Zetec SE?
There is a very good animation of the ROCAM engine on
YouTube.
[Edited on 23/11/09 by MikeRJ]
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Breaker
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 12:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bj928
from what i can tell, the basic mondeo 2.0 litre 4 pot duratec, has exhaust on the drivers side if you put it inline, and the zetec exhaust goes down
the passenger side when engine fitted inline.
But then,how do you define the "passenger" side as all of you UK guys have the steering wheel at the wrong side ?
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adithorp
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 02:16 PM |
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Aren't the duratecs all timing chains and the zetecs cam belts?
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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Werner Van Loock
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 03:33 PM |
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easy one, ALLOY block!
duratecs (HE) are all alloy blocks and come in 1.8, 2.0 and 2.3 format
all others, 1.6, 1.3 and whatever alloys are Zetec SE and all Iron block 1.8's, 2.0 etc are Zetec E or for the 2.3 the DOHC I4 (like the
RS2000)
and then there's the V6 wich is nothing of the above but still all alloy
http://www.clubstylus.be
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 03:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Werner Van Loock
easy one, ALLOY block!
Duratec badged 1.3 and 1.6 SOHC is iron blocked...
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MK9R
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 03:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by Werner Van Loock
easy one, ALLOY block!
Duratec badged 1.3 and 1.6 SOHC is iron blocked...
as i said, all ford petrol engines are now branded duratecs, even if made from cheese
Cheers Austen
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iank
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 05:05 PM |
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Amusingly (and it's not April AFAIK) PPC this month are reporting that Ford are going to manufacture a "Duratec 110PS" which is
actually a 1.6 litre Kent for putting into formula fords and heritage racers.
They are going to re-manufacture the block with some modern techniques to make it 'more durable' whatever that means.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 05:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
as i said, all ford petrol engines are now branded duratecs, even if made from cheese
I don't think any of the V8s are?
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MautoK
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| posted on 23/11/09 at 05:54 PM |
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I've always been confused by Ford's recent engine names and now I know why!
He's whittling on a piece of wood. I got a feeling that when he stops whittling, something's gonna happen. (OUATITW/Cheyenne)
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bj928
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| posted on 24/11/09 at 02:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
as i said, all ford petrol engines are now branded duratecs, even if made from cheese
I don't think any of the V8s are?
you will find there is a v8 duratec ( moddified v6 by yamaha), its the v8 fitted to the volvo xc90 (can't remember where i read this info ), its
a mondeo 2.5/3.0 duratec with extra 2 cylinders, also the aston martin v12 is 2 mondeo 3.0 engines put together,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duratec
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morcus
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| posted on 24/11/09 at 03:00 AM |
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RHD is the way it should be, LHD cars are wrong because the ignition is the wrong side of the wheel for starting a car without being in it.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 24/11/09 at 09:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bj928
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duratec
I may be looking at the wrong bit, but the only V8 I can find on there is the "SHO V8" which was apparently never given the Duratec
name?
[Edited on 24/11/09 by MikeRJ]
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