chrisg
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 03:54 PM |
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Pinto non starter
I've just popped my engine back in after fitting a five speed gearbox , and it won't start.
I'm well puzzled, I've done nothing to it, bar hanging the new box on the end.
I've got a good spark at all the plugs and good fuel supply, it turns over great on the starter, but won't start.
I've cleaned and re-gapped the plugs, and checcked all the ignition connections - nothing.
Any Ideas?
Cheers
Chris
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 04:04 PM |
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How long has it been standing Chris? Has it flooded? If you didn't knock/take out distributror timing should be OK , plug leads on right? Is
fuel getting to plugs? plugs wet? Is it carb(s) or injection? if carbs make sure choke is off try a squirt of easistart , if engine fires problem is
fuel related . Have had cars that have stood for a while and fuel goes stale . Worse with unleaded. HTH
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mookaloid
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 04:04 PM |
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try heating the spark plug ends (the bits that go into the engine) a bit with a small blow torch?
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mookaloid
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 04:05 PM |
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Are your plug leads on in the right order?
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chrisg
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 04:13 PM |
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Thanks for the replies chaps.
The plug leads havent been disturbed - I've just taken them off one at a time to clean and gap the plugs.
I did warm them up a bit before I put them back.
The carb is a 32/36 Weber
Might be flooded.
what's the proceedure if it is?
Cheers
Chris
BTW it was running three weeks ago.
[Edited on 7/1/06 by chrisg]
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johnemms
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 04:14 PM |
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I tip a cap full of fuel down the carb into the manifold... works everytime...
let me know if it dont 
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 04:29 PM |
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Don't know about a can full try 1/2 teaspoon full at the most . Find easistart better/safer
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 04:30 PM |
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sorry meant capful
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bob
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 05:18 PM |
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When did it last run chris ?
When mine was left at the begining of 05 for about 8 weeks i thought i would need a bit of help,i did the teaspoon/splash of petrol down the carb and
it fired up straight away.
I did this because begining of 04 it started on the last gasp of the battery after its winter sleep.
Although sometimes i've turned over a few times knowing the petrol has evaporated then popped in for a cuppa,return 10 mins later and bang away
it goes.
[Edited on 7/1/06 by bob]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 06:56 PM |
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With a non-starting engine you must fault find in a logical manner.
(1) Pull a plug lead off and put a spare plug on the lead to check for a spark.
(2) If you have a spark take a plug out and look at it --- is it wet ?
(3) If the plug is wet take all the plugs out and dry them off -- use compresed air or a blow lamp or even a hair dryer. Then replace and try
again.
(4) If the plug is dry do you have enough petrol in the tank ?
(5) or Is the fuel pump working ?
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britishtrident
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 07:02 PM |
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I should add procedure for starting a suspected flooded carb engine especially a Ford.
Choke OFF
Press the throttle to the FLOOR and keep it there
DON'T PUMP the throttle
Try to start the engine --- keep the throttle to the floor even between attempts
Once the engine begins to kick let the throttle up an inch or so until it fires properly.
[Edited on 7/1/06 by britishtrident]
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chrisg
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 07:39 PM |
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It's a petrol overdose chaps.
i've taken the plugs out and they're wet through.
I'll leave 'em out and try again tomorrow.
Thanks for your help.
cheers
Chris
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Avoneer
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 08:51 PM |
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Not got the cap back on 180 degrees out have you?
Pat...
No trees were killed in the sending of this message.
However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 10:13 PM |
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First of all he is told to put a cap full of petrol down the inlet, and then his cap is 180° out!
Chris is from Yourkshire, and't cap is onis head. It won't hold petrol, and he would look like't chav with it the wrong way around.
Remember Chris looks like Fred D without the laughter lines
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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chrisg
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| posted on 8/1/06 at 12:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
First of all he is told to put a cap full of petrol down the inlet, and then his cap is 180° out!
Chris is from Yourkshire, and't cap is onis head. It won't hold petrol, and he would look like't chav with it the wrong way around.
Remember Chris looks like Fred D without the laughter lines
Aye,
I blame the whippet.
Cheers
Chris
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chrisg
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| posted on 8/1/06 at 02:32 PM |
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Actually.
I've been thinking about it.
Exactly what is it that stops the engine starting when it's flooded?
I don't know.
Cheers
Chris
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bob
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| posted on 8/1/06 at 03:00 PM |
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Chris
Its a bit like having too much beer,nothing works properly till you sober up
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 8/1/06 at 03:08 PM |
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Petrol as a liquid will not burn , it's the vapour that burns . Old petrol evaporates the lighter elements off which makes cold starting more
difficult , once started and warmed up the engine will probably start easier . Unleaded fuel vaporises easier than the older 4 star and make the
problem worse. If you still have problems starting dry the plugs , put the choke in and give it a squirt of easistart .
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britishtrident
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| posted on 9/1/06 at 04:36 PM |
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Easistart has the advantage will burn over a much wider mixture range than petrol.
Starting any car with a downdraught carb without flooding it is a bit of a knack - Fords have always been trickier than most.
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chrisg
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| posted on 12/1/06 at 05:47 PM |
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Well here we are.
Still no starting.
I've cleaned and re-gaped the plugs, checked for a spark with another plug, checked the fuel pump and today re-timed the engine, used some
easystart and re-gapped the points.
Nothing.
Bugger.
Cheers
Chris
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 12/1/06 at 08:12 PM |
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Chris , did it fire at all when you used the easistart?
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chrisg
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 12:24 AM |
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No mate, just turns over.
I'm going to get a bicycle
cheers
Chris
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 09:04 AM |
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If it didn't fire with easistart , then I would suspect you have a problem with the ignitio system. Suggest rechecking the wiring that was
disconnected when engine was removed, main HT lead may have been damaged when remove and although getting spark it may be weak . An old tip with Pinto
engine with points is to make up a short earth lead about 3in long and fit using 1 of the points securing screws and 1 of the distributor base plate
securing screws . Also on the side of the distributor there is a black box , just bi pass it . Both of these reduce the voltage drop across the
points and give a stonger spark . Fit new plugs , sometimes plugs will not fire properly when then have been soaked even when dried out . How long is
it since engine was last run? , with an old engine /worn bores/pistons etc the compressions may be low? Fords tend to need good compression to be good
starters. Carry out compression test , then repeat after squirting a few drops of oil into cylinders , if pressures rise by any great amount then you
have wear in bores etc. If all else fails and you are sure everything is correct try towing it . BOL
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chrisg
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 07:00 PM |
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Thanks mate, I've tried a new et of plug leads today without success, I'll go through the other stuff.
Cheers
Chris
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chrisg
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| posted on 26/1/06 at 05:41 PM |
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Woo Hoo!!!!!!!
I've cracked it but I still don't understand it.
Started out today from the begining and tried to line up the timing marks on the camshaft and crank pulley.
They didn't line up.
Some how the belt has slipped.
But how?
The engine was running, I pulled it out banged the new gearbox on, put it back.
How can the belt have slipped?
I can only that that some Vindictive b@stard has broken in to my garage and undone the tensioner, moved the belt and tightened it all up again, cos it
was bloody tight but it had moved four teeth.
When I put it back it started on the first push of the starter button.
Alls well that ends well
Cheers
Chris
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