ned
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| posted on 27/1/06 at 09:33 AM |
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plumbing remote oil filter and cooler
I'm going to fit a remote oil filter and have the remote filter head, I now need to get the take off plate which for my engine I know I can get
from sbd or think auto, both of which are relatively local.
My question is how does this work when plumbing in an oil cooler aswell?
I've seen on thinkauto's site that you can get inline oil thermostats but I'm reconning you could also fit the take off plate after
a sandwich plate and do it that way? Or can you just run the oil cooler permanently inline to the filter - is this a good idea and should the filter
be before or after the cooler?
Is there a preferred method and what size fittings should I be using? There seem to be different size fitting for coolers, take off plates and filter
heads (5/8" for take off and cooler seems right, 1/2 or 3/4" for remote filter head?)
For those that don't know I'm using a vauxhall xe engine, but the query should be the same as any other 4 pot 2ltr dohc i would think.
cheers,
Ned.
[Edited on 27/1/06 by ned]
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stevebubs
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| posted on 27/1/06 at 10:52 AM |
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Run in-line with the filter.
Normally run after the filter to ensure the cooler doesn't get gunked up in the event of cr@p getting in the oil....
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02GF74
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| posted on 27/1/06 at 11:49 AM |
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the way thinkauto decribe plumbing an oil cooler ot removte fitler is flawed in my opinion. You want hot oil before it goes to the cooler
going into the filter.
In my LR I have takeoff at engine->remote filter head --> cooler _> filter -> back to engine.
Even with the thermostat is not going to solve that. Thinking about it you need to intercept the line going back to the engine and have the cooler
there, maybe have an inline thermostat - now why did I not do that? Got me thinking now.
I think majority of Ford's use 3/4 inch. Easy way to tell is got to halfords, look for your filter, open the champion version box - they
usually have the filter thread stamped on the filter.
Ideallyh you want to use largest diameter hoses, I use 5/8 in on v8; up to 2 l they say 1/2 in. if you can afford it then go biggest. Note that if
you went to 3/4 then you would not get the fittings on the the take off/remote filter housings; 5/8 is quite tight (you need 26v mm spanner to do them
up).
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NS Dev
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| posted on 27/1/06 at 01:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
I'm going to fit a remote oil filter and have the remote filter head, I now need to get the take off plate which for my engine I know I can get
from sbd or think auto, both of which are relatively local.
My question is how does this work when plumbing in an oil cooler aswell?
I've seen on thinkauto's site that you can get inline oil thermostats but I'm reconning you could also fit the take off plate after
a sandwich plate and do it that way? Or can you just run the oil cooler permanently inline to the filter - is this a good idea and should the filter
be before or after the cooler?
Is there a preferred method and what size fittings should I be using? There seem to be different size fitting for coolers, take off plates and filter
heads (5/8" for take off and cooler seems right, 1/2 or 3/4" for remote filter head?)
For those that don't know I'm using a vauxhall xe engine, but the query should be the same as any other 4 pot 2ltr dohc i would think.
cheers,
Ned.
[Edited on 27/1/06 by ned]
Hi Ned,
I see what you mean problem wise! It would be nice cost wise to just use the std vauxhall fit thermostatic cooler takeoff sandwich plate, but then as
you say you will need a further plate beneath it for the remote filter.
This is certainly possible but I don't know how deep the filter takeoff plate is. I would guess only 20mm or so shortewr than just using a short
filter.
Personally I think I would go for using the std vauxhall thermostat takeoff for the cooler, and a short filter fitted in the std postition. With your
westy sump it should be no lower than the sump.
I am not using a cooler at all on mine, in my experience the problems on most sevens are overcool oil, not over hot, but then your engine will eb
considerably higher spec than mine!
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ned
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| posted on 27/1/06 at 02:50 PM |
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been on the phone to sbd a few mins ago. having chatted with them and looked on their website, their version works quite differently like so:
If I get a chance I might speak to think auto to see which take off plate they can supply and the fittings etc. sbd said they use jic -10 which i
think is the same size hose as 5/8bsp fittings.
Nat,
You are probably right about over cooling for a road car but i will be using mine on track and there is scope for some more goodies on the engine in
time, plus when i bought the steel gear oil pump, the guy told me that he'd had oil surge problems until he fitted a cooler, he recon'd
the extra oil capacity helped reduce the surge as you've got a bigger head of oil in the system.
cheers,
Ned.
ps I also asked sbd how much they want for the mounting bracket for their small alternator (I've already got the alt, got it recon'd off
ebay) take a guess how much £ they wanted for the ally bracket and the tensioner:
http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Electrical/Alternators/ALT-SMBK2A%20.gif
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NS Dev
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| posted on 27/1/06 at 07:22 PM |
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Goodness knows, £70????
I'll be making mine!!!!
Just need to find a daihatsu or bedford rascal alternator!!
PS yep -10 jic is 5/8" hose
[Edited on 27/1/06 by NS Dev]
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Stu16v
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| posted on 27/1/06 at 07:49 PM |
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quote:
the guy told me that he'd had oil surge problems until he fitted a cooler, he recon'd the extra oil capacity helped reduce the surge as
you've got a bigger head of oil in the system.
Not sure how an oil cooler stopped oil surge problems. Surge is created by the loss of pressure when the oil pickup sucks air, and the pump has
nothing to pump in the first place. IMHO the *only* way to cure it is too stop the pickup becoming 'dry'...
Dont just build it.....make it!
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ned
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| posted on 27/1/06 at 09:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
Goodness knows, £70????
I'll be making mine!!!!
£48 + vat + delivery, I told him i'll be making mine too!
Ned.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 28/1/06 at 12:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Stu16v
quote:
the guy told me that he'd had oil surge problems until he fitted a cooler, he recon'd the extra oil capacity helped reduce the surge as
you've got a bigger head of oil in the system.
Not sure how an oil cooler stopped oil surge problems. Surge is created by the loss of pressure when the oil pickup sucks air, and the pump has
nothing to pump in the first place. IMHO the *only* way to cure it is too stop the pickup becoming 'dry'...
A it is prepump, I believe the theory is supposed to provide a reserve of oil in the event of short oil surges....
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