AlexS
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 posted on 2/5/06 at 12:59 PM |
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Clutch
Ah never ending problems!
My clutch is being a sod - Its jammed engaged so i can select the gears when the engines stopped but once its runnin I cant get the clutch down and
get it in gear.
Now have lost patience with this car, and as I havent got the equipment to lift the car nice and high to get to the gearbox if i fix it myself it
involves taking the newly fitted engine out 
The problem stems from the fact that the - err in my basic speak - the stalk that sticks out the side of the clutch where the cable joins to wont
move, tried throwing oil at it and gentle encouragement (hammer) but not getting anywhere fast!Moving house too so car reaaally has to get running.
Basically has anyone got any ideas to try? I know its very un locost like but its going into a garage soon if i cant sort this I havent got the time
to sit with it anymore
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AlexS
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 01:00 PM |
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Oh by the way its a crossflow engine on a standard 4 speed box
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NS Dev
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 01:12 PM |
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Won't the arm move at all in any direction?
Most odd, they are usually pretty loose and rattly!
Make sure because if this is completely jammed then somehow the release bearing has jammed itself to the trumpet housing over the gearbox input shaft
(something I have never heard of before!)
Quite often a clutch may "stick" in that the release mechanism may move but the friction plate may remain stuck to the flywheel, often if
the car has stood for a while. This can usually be cured by putting the car in a high gear and trying the starter.....
HOWEVER, this doesn't sound like you problem!
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johnemms
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 03:22 PM |
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On occasions of broken clutch cable - with warm engine - put in first gear and start car - lurch off - you can now ballance the revs to change up or
down - slow approach to lights or junctions - if you have to stop - pop it out of first and coast - to pull away select first and start engine - 
deperate times call for desperate measures lol 
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AlexS
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 04:58 PM |
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I can get up down wriggle but backwards and forwards i only have a very slight movement before it stops.
Cars been stood since about new year but at the same time the engines been out about 3 weeks ago and i took the clutch out checked it and refit it so
i guess i may have trapped something when i put it back in???
clutch cable could do with tightening but thats not whats stopped it at the moment...at least engines running so revving that put a smile on my face
briefly
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AlexS
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 07:57 PM |
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all those views and no ideas?
Ive oiled it twatted it with a hammer (got more aggressive as the mood changed) and still not getting anywhere really...need some good ideas in the
next 24 hours before I call my local rip off merchant and get him to tow it in for me
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AlexS
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 07:58 PM |
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oh and ive tried jumping it in gear that didnt make a difference and i can see into the side of the bellhousing where the forks go in but as im no
expert at what i should see it doesnt look wrong to me :-/
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AlexS
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 05:57 PM |
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hmm still no ideas
the suggestions come up of loosening the bellhousing a bit and giving the clutch forks a good shake see if they spring free...is this a daft idea or
might it actually have positive results?any thoughts?
cheers
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Danozeman
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 06:05 PM |
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quote:
the suggestions come up of loosening the bellhousing a bit and giving the clutch forks a good shake see if they spring free...is this a daft idea or
might it actually have positive results?any thoughts?
It may help unless your release bearing has slipped and jammed.
Dan
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AlexS
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 06:09 PM |
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Ok well will try and let you know what happenshave sorted my tow out if this doesnt work
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AlexS
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 07:02 PM |
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okay dokey here we go
loosened bellhousing and rattled clutch - nothing
got someone to sit and press the clutch while i watched,the forks are moving but a lot of tension is being taken up just in the clutch cable and the
flexing of the fiberglass
so I tried to start in gear [edit - third gear] - got the expected lurch but no better on clutch
pushed clutch in (as much as i could) and in second and it almost started, would start in first but was immediately rolling so i guess the clutch is
not disengaging all the way. Tried to take out of gear and wouldnt come out :-/ stopped engine, came out of gear. I know obvious suggestion is clutch
cable is loose, im going to try and tighten it, but either way its still really stiff on the clutch...
Im really getting confused here!
[Edited on 3/5/06 by AlexS]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 11:05 PM |
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If you can loosen the bellhousing bolts can you get the box off?
Sounds favourite to me to make sure it's ok, sorry but that's best really.
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AlexS
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 11:20 PM |
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I probably could but as ive havent got the tools to lift the car very high its a sod to get underneath to do work like that. Have ummed and ahhed and
basically ive got 1st gear usable of sorts so ill limp to my usual garage and get them to get it up on the ramps and have a look its much easier, much
faster and for what theyll charge me id rather get it sorted and get on the road for the sunshine
Ah well I held out for ages before i gave in!
Watch this space to find out wat went wrong!
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tks
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 08:38 AM |
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mhh
could you have made the mistake that the clutch plate is wrong round in.
(sorry for the bad english)
looks like you fitted the pressure plate and while you fitted it it already started (depressing??) the job your bearing normally does??
can you see the fingers of the pressure plate how are they? in pressured state or unpressured state??
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 09:19 AM |
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Most tool rental shops will hire you an engine hoist for a few days - sounds like the engine and box needs to come out for some
'adjustment'.
As someone has said - the clutch release fork/lever/thingy is normally loose and rattly when your foot's off the pedal, so it sounds like
there's something mechanically wrong with the release bearing or the way it's installed. Possibly it's the wrong bearing for the
clutch plate - if your clutch has straight fingers then the bearing should have a domed face - if the fingers have raised bumps at the end then you
need a flat-faced bearing.
You're going to have to take it all out and have a good look, I think.
David
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AlexS
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 02:25 PM |
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Ive only just got the engine back in!!!Thats probably how i trapped it but dont want to/havent got the time to take it out again
got an engine lift, but as i said i havent got the time at the moment to fix it im afraid
cheers for the suggestions ill see what the garage say!
Alex
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NS Dev
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 02:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tks
could you have made the mistake that the clutch plate is wrong round in.
(sorry for the bad english)
looks like you fitted the pressure plate and while you fitted it it already started (depressing??) the job your bearing normally does??
can you see the fingers of the pressure plate how are they? in pressured state or unpressured state??
Tks
very good point, could easily be the clutch plate the wrong way round!
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